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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There are 5 people all giving me the same response so I'll just focus on this one

    There are 2 major strawmen in your arguments

    1) There is no gay gene. Evidence has just been found through a scientific study of identical twins (same DNA) that further supports this hypothesis. It is strong and compelling evidence. I find it absolutely amazing that you would dare claim someone doesn't understand genetics while completely ignoring the genetic data contained within the study.

    Nobody in this thread wants to talk about the study and for good reason. It's further evidence that homosexuality is a psychological disorder. That homosexuality can be cured. Human beings are born with productive organs that have specific biological purposes. Beyond emotion and not wanting to hurt gay people's feelings, homosexual sex isn't natural. Claiming it's natural because animals do it (for reasons that have nothing to do with love, sexual attraction ect) is a very poor argument. Animals also engage in cannibalism.
    No one is talking about the study since there is no link to it. Makes it difficult. Hypothesis are not facts. Stating there is no gay gene is incorrect.

    Whether there is a gay gene or not is entirely irrelevant to whether homosexuality is a psychological disorder. You keep repeating these same refuted points, which is kinda sad.

    2) Animals have an instinct to procreate. Biologically they have productive organs which serves a specific purpose. Heterosexuality as a condition is natural. A human beings inability to behave as a heterosexual (as this study further points to) is purely psychological. A condition that can be cured so the human being once again be one with it's nature.

    I'm not going to keep repeating myself. If you want to talk about what the study specifically says, I'll be happy to do that. The science says there is no gay gene. Identical Twin DNA testing confirms this.
    Homosexuality and procreation are two entirely different things. Many homosexuals do procreate. This entirely destroys your argument.

    Link to the study, then we can discuss it. Without the study, it is impossible to have an educated discussion about it. However, the little bit in the linked article does not preclude the presence of a genetic component to orientation.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So...

    Abortion - unnatural behavior
    Infanticide - completely natural behavior
    Not every ****ing thread is about abortion.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    But building and extinction and deforestation occur outside of human influence too. You need to rethink your definition of "unnatural".

    As you said: Words matter.

    The problem is you are trying way to hard to stuff your worldview into a couple of ill fitting words and shredding them in the process.
    No not really. You keep flipping generic terms and specific events and act like they are the same. Extinctions exist and are naturally occurring ....but when specifically caused by human actions such as the dodo they are unnatural extinctions.

    the building of structures is naturally occurring...beehives/anthills etc....but a skyscraper is something specific to humankind. It doesn't exist outside of humanity.

    Deforestation is a generic term but when it's specifically caused by human influences it's no longer a natural event. That specific event is human caused.

    The pairing of same sex and same sex acts is naturally occurring. It's natural.

    Once again it's not my definition...
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not every ****ing thread is about abortion.
    yeah...some threads are about racism, religion and/or homosexuality.

    I would bet that if someone went through and deleted all the threads on or regarding those 4 topics, it would get rid of half the threads on the forum.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no homosexual instinct in animals. I didn't realize liberals were so anti science.

    I knew someone would bring up the gay penguins. You realize that they are now ex-gay penguins right?

    So if we're going to use "gay animals" as evidence that homosexuality is "natural" then we can conclude that homosexuality can be "cured". Not only that, since we're using irrational animal behavior to justify human morality now is cannibalism a moral and civil right now too? After all, animals eat their young and engage in cannibalism.

    No it doesn't. Animals aren't mounting other animals because of human feelings and motivations. Animals react irrationally to outside stimuli. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.
    There's one pretty large thing you're forgetting: humans are animals. And homosexual behavior is found in all species of animals. The fact that it's natural doesn't make it right. For me, the act of love isn't immoral. Eating a person and loving a man (or woman) seem fairly different to me in terms of moral implications. If a man can only love another man, I think it would be immoral for him to be prevented from doing so. I see no harm in it, only good.

    While Roy and Silo are the cutest and funniest example of homosexual animals, I concede that it is not the best example. The best examples are the studies that have been done which find homosexual behavior to be found in every species they study. The fact that you think humans aren't animals for some reason doesn't have an ounce of relevance for most people. You know, those of us who "don't shun science."
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No one is talking about the study since there is no link to it. Makes it difficult. Hypothesis are not facts. Stating there is no gay gene is incorrect.
    So Evolution is just a working hypothesis correct?

    There is no gay gene (8 studies actually)

    Whether there is a gay gene or not is entirely irrelevant to whether homosexuality is a psychological disorder. You keep repeating these same refuted points, which is kinda sad.
    It's entirely relevant. Again, I find it laughable that someone who claims people don't understand genetics doesn't know anything about Psychology. Homosexuals want to normalize their abnormal behavior. The only way they can do this is by claiming "genetic determinism". "It's natural to be gay. I was born this way. Everyone must accept it, even if it goes against Natural Law."

    If it's a condition that is psychological it can be cured. If not cured, then at least controlled through intensive therapy. If the gay penguins can go straight (and animal behavior is now the measuring stick according to all the liberals in this thread) then why can't humans?

    Homosexuality and procreation are two entirely different things. Many homosexuals do procreate. This entirely destroys your argument.
    Men cannot conceive. A female doesn't carry sperm.

    If you want to justify some Frankenstein experiment that isn't natural, but in actuality an irrational act because the people involved are psychologically disordered, that's your business.

    Link to the study, then we can discuss it. Without the study, it is impossible to have an educated discussion about it. However, the little bit in the linked article does not preclude the presence of a genetic component to orientation.
    8 studies actually

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    There's one pretty large thing you're forgetting: humans are animals. And homosexual behavior is found in all species of animals. The fact that it's natural doesn't make it right. For me, the act of love isn't immoral. Eating a person and loving a man (or woman) seem fairly different to me in terms of moral implications. If a man can only love another man, I think it would be immoral for him to be prevented from doing so. I see no harm in it, only good.

    While Roy and Silo are the cutest and funniest example of homosexual animals, I concede that it is not the best example. The best examples are the studies that have been done which find homosexual behavior to be found in every species they study. The fact that you think humans aren't animals for some reason doesn't have an ounce of relevance for most people. You know, those of us who "don't shun science."
    We've been over this

    Stop elevating animals to the level of humanity. Human beings are not unthinking irrational creatures that act entirely on instinct and outside stimuli. There is NO homosexual instinct in animals. Irrational animal behavior is not a measuring stick to justify acceptable behavior in a rational and civil society.

    "homosexual behavior" in animals is for reasons that are not rational. Dominance. Clashing and conflicting outside stimuli. You're acting animals know what they are doing is right or wrong or something. Or out of some fairy tale love like in a Disney cartoon. It's all symbolism. Not science.

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