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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    First of all, self fulfilling studies usually achieve the results one is looking for, I am not sure that this has happened here but as I am not a genetics expert I am in no position to see if this study would stand up to peer review.

    Secondly, not genetic does not mean that it is not natural or that people are not born that way.
    There is no gay gene

    This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no homosexual instinct in animals. I didn't realize liberals were so anti science.

    I knew someone would bring up the gay penguins. You realize that they are now ex-gay penguins right?

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    So if we're going to use "gay animals" as evidence that homosexuality is "natural" then we can conclude that homosexuality can be "cured". Not only that, since we're using irrational animal behavior to justify human morality now is cannibalism a moral and civil right now too? After all, animals eat their young and engage in cannibalism.



    No it doesn't. Animals aren't mounting other animals because of human feelings and motivations. Animals react irrationally to outside stimuli. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.
    It is impossible to accurately determine motications among animals since they do not speak. What is known is that homosexual behavior is seen among animal species. Whether there is an instict or not is entirely unkown, so stating there is "no homosexual instict" would be anti-science. Furthermore, the idea that animals are cured of homosexuality is just painfully stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding of the topic. If you are going to try and correct people, at least try and get it remotely right.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic | OrthodoxNet.com Blog
    Hm. Here I thought it was genetic.Either way its not natural.
    This correlates with the recent scientific presentation (see below) that homosexuality is epigenetic in etiology, not genetic, two completely different etiologies.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    SO, since you are now separating "natural" and "caused by humankind" into two separate categories we can throw out your argument that homosexuality exists in nature so therefor it is "natural" in humans. You can't have it both ways.
    Wrong....it's natural because it exists outside of human influence. If you make two male dogs **** then that's human influenced homosexuality and that specific act would be unnatural.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene

    This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene.

    Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.

    Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.
    You don't read much do you? There have been no studies which show all Identical Twins have identical DNA. Why? Because up until fairly recently the presumption was that since identical twins start from the same zygote, they MUST have identical DNA. The problem with that was epigentics could not account for all the differences in some identical twin genetic samples.

    Then a study did occcur which proved that identical twins do not all leave the womb with identical DNA. It was announced in November 2012. I posted it in an earlier response in another thread. Here's the link just for you, again.

    Identical Twins Differ Genetically | LiveScience

    This 2012 study shows that somatic and other gene mutations occur at a very high rate, demonstrating that identical twins often have different genetic structures.

    Now this doesn't prove there IS a "gay gene," but it refutes the claim identical twins have identical DNA so if one is gay and the other is not, it must be a choice. Therefore it opens the possibility that a gay gene could exist.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene.

    Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.

    Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene

    This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.
    There is no known gay gene. That does not mean there is no gay gene. Your failure to understand genetics is painful(hint: look up the difference between genotype and phenotype for example). By the way, your claimed numbers for homosexuality rates is lower than the rate mentioned in the linked article for twins. Just something to think about.

    By your definition, hetersexuality should be curable too if orientation is psychological.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    A declared racist talking about homosexuality. I bet he's a Jew loving Christian too.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Wrong....it's natural because it exists outside of human influence. If you make two male dogs **** then that's human influenced homosexuality and that specific act would be unnatural.
    So two men going at it is human influenced so it's unnatural?

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene.

    Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.

    Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.
    Much like atheism, when you inject a negative as a positive (saying something doesn't exist), you have to prove it. You cannot prove there isn't one only that there hasn't been one found. Sorry son, you're out of your league here. Go bash gays elsewhere.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene

    This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.
    There may not be a gay gene, I do not know that and I don't think it matters because it is still a natural thing and it is not curable. Gay is gay and will remain gay.
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