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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, you have completely failed to prove your position. This has been shown in multiple threads by multiple posters. Your scientific links do not indicate "defect". You have been challenged to provide evidence of the "birth defect" but have refused.
    False, obviously.

    The number of people whining in no way negates the whining from being simply that: whining.

    Continue to feign dumbnesss in the matter if you wish -- that's just another form of whining about obvious realities that fly in the face of your pre-conceived ideological agenda.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As I said, nothing above is relevant. You have failed to prove your position and have refused to substantiate it after repeated requests. No science indicates that homosexuality is a birth defect. If you believe it does, post a quote from any of that science that states it.
    Yep .. Dr. Rice and his team's silence on the challenge to deny that their etiological presentation makes homosexuality obviously a birth defect .. .. is golden.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "We are what we repeatedly do", I believe the man said.



    It's not a binary issue. Looking back I can definitely see how several of my experiences and choices have shaped my current sexual desires and expressions. The extreme can be seen in those who become addicted to pornography and get into the most unusual of expressions - from animal to child to humiliation.

    But here's a question for your, TNE; in our culture it is considered extremely shameful and severely punishable to have sex with underage minors (children). But in not a few of the central asian cultures, it is rather common. Are those men influenced by their culture, personal history, and choices to be able to be sexually stimulated by children? Or would you argue that it is in their genetic code, they have no choice, and particular races are simply predisposed to pedophilia?



    The question is a false question because of an artificial binary assumption. It is like asking if one is capable of reading and writing for communications' purposes without specifying what language.

    I've been saying this forever here at DP.. The narrative (And they all pat themselves on the back for it) being that we (straight people) did not choose our sexuality is a non sequitur. I've argued from the pedophilia point of view as well suggesting that there are a lot more potential pedophiles than there are homosexuals, and that is usually enough to send them packing and I see it worked for you as well. Secondly, I'd point out that "most" homophiles frame the question wrongly anyway. When someone says that homosexuality is a choice, they are not necessarily stating that the choice is a conscious one. The choice comes in many forms and is what I believe to be directly related to what environment you place yourself in and under what conditions that occurs. granted, my take is more anecdotal, and not provably factual, but it stands to reason that, homosexuality appears to be more about confluence, as opposed to any single set of criterion, example, conscious choice, genetic etc..


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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    When someone says that homosexuality is a choice, they are not necessarily stating that the choice is a conscious one. The choice comes in many forms and is what I believe to be directly related to what environment you place yourself in and under what conditions that occurs.
    Yes, exactly... just because someone didn't 'choose' something doesn't mean that they didn't have any choice in the matter.

    I don't know of anyone that 'chooses' to get cancer, but I do know a lot of people that smoke.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I've been saying this forever here at DP.. The narrative (And they all pat themselves on the back for it) being that we (straight people) did not choose our sexuality is a non sequitur. I've argued from the pedophilia point of view as well suggesting that there are a lot more potential pedophiles than there are homosexuals, and that is usually enough to send them packing and I see it worked for you as well. Secondly, I'd point out that "most" homophiles frame the question wrongly anyway. When someone says that homosexuality is a choice, they are not necessarily stating that the choice is a conscious one. The choice comes in many forms and is what I believe to be directly related to what environment you place yourself in and under what conditions that occurs. granted, my take is more anecdotal, and not provably factual, but it stands to reason that, homosexuality appears to be more about confluence, as opposed to any single set of criterion, example, conscious choice, genetic etc..


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    Because it's an incredibly stupid argument.

    BTW, a choice that isn't a conscious choice isn't really a choice. They did not sit down and choose their attraction or their love. There is just reason to denounce the pedophile. Children are not of age of consent and can be abused. The adult is, well an adult. So to deny rights to the homosexual, you need just cause. Otherwise you're just an asshole.

    The born homosexual data hints at it being one factor. There may be others. But that doesn't mean the choice is any less made for them by factors beyond their control. They can refrain from love, hold their feeling inside, never act, but without just reason to do that, that's a lot to ask of even a patient and understanding soul. That wouldn't be me.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Did you choose to be straight?
    I certainly chose to have sex with every woman I ever slept with. Then again, now that I think about, there was at least one occasion when I woke up with a vicious hangover, lying next to a total psychotic, and wondering "How did I get here?"

    Anyway, I believe you have completely missed my point. The human experience of "choice" is always made within a certain context of congenital biology, direct experience, and the confines of a finite array of possibilities. Of course, these factors will vary widely from one human experience to another.

    For example, while the human species is sociobiologically endowed with inhibitions against incest, these inhibitions will often be circumvented in contexts where the choice of sexual partners is very limited, such as on a farm a hundred or so miles away from regular social interaction with other humans. In such circumstances, it is not terribly unusual for some degree of brother-sister incest to occur, especially during adolescence. However, the very same siblings might never even consider having sexual relations with each other if they were living in the city where their choice of sexual partners would be far wider and thus far more agreeable to the incest taboo.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    I certainly chose to have sex with every woman I ever slept with.
    You were gonna sleep with a guy but decided to sleep with a woman instead?

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, exactly... just because someone didn't 'choose' something doesn't mean that they didn't have any choice in the matter.
    Yes, it does.


    I don't know of anyone that 'chooses' to get cancer, but I do know a lot of people that smoke.
    What did they choose to do that turned them gay? If you chose to do the same, you'd be gay? Are their warnings about stuff that can make you gay? I've never seen such a label.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You were gonna sleep with a guy but decided to sleep with a woman instead?
    No, I was gonna sleep with a sow, but decided to sleep with your mother since the sow wouldn't have me.

    Incidentally, this is how you came into the world.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    You prefer beastiality but chose to be straight? How often do animals "have" you?

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