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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Genetics likely provide an inclination but other (sociological and personal) factors are mitigating. The important thing to understand, given the various factors, is that it is not a choice. And, of course, it's natural.
    Actually, to be exact, it is probably more of a choice for some and less for others, depending upon both congenital biology and life experiences. After all, there is such a thing as adaptive homosexuality/lesbianism which occurs well outside the confines of prison. Indeed, there even appears to be such a thing as fashionable lesbianism these days.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Genetics likely provide an inclination but other (sociological and personal) factors are mitigating. The important thing to understand, given the various factors, is that it is not a choice. And, of course, it's natural.
    ...you just self-contradicted. If factors are sociological and personal, then choice does indeed play a significant role.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...you just self-contradicted. If factors are sociological and personal, then choice does indeed play a significant role.
    Choice does play a significant role because even if someone was gay (not by choice), they could CHOOSE to live a lifestyle in which they try to ignore their own feelings and existance. It has been done many times before when society wrongly shunned homosexuality.

    That doesn't mean it just goes away though because they choose to ignore what their body is telling them nor does it mean homosexuality isn't genetic.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    Choice does play a significant role because even if someone was gay (not by choice), they could CHOOSE to live a lifestyle in which they try to ignore their own feelings and existance. It has been done many times before when society wrongly shunned homosexuality.

    That doesn't mean it just goes away though because they choose to ignore what their body is telling them nor does it mean homosexuality isn't genetic.
    if that is true then the reverse is equally true. But you are ignoring our ability to shape ourselves - and our choices do indeed shape our sexuality, as does our cultural background and governing assumptions. The "Homosexuality is not and cannot ever be a choice" dogma is an ideological truth-claim driven by politics, not a realistic appraisal of the phenomenon.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if that is true then the reverse is equally true. But you are ignoring our ability to shape ourselves - and our choices do indeed shape our sexuality, as does our cultural background and governing assumptions.
    We can shape ourselves to a point, but I have never been attracted to the same sex and I never made a choice to be heterosexual. I just was that way. There are certain things like flavors, selections, etc that are not influenced by choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The "Homosexuality is not and cannot ever be a choice" dogma is an ideological truth-claim driven by politics, not a realistic appraisal of the phenomenon.
    Yet you and others cannot say when you made the so called "choice" to be heterosexual. If homosexuality is a choice, then so is heterosexuality. Did you "choose" or was your body and mind just attracted to the opposite sex?

    Every single homosexual I have talked to about this has had the same experiences I have in regards to not choosing to be the way they are. I am heterosexual and did not make a choice to be, and they are homosexual and did not make a choice to be that way.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    We can shape ourselves to a point, but I have never been attracted to the same sex and I never made a choice to be heterosexual. I just was that way. There are certain things like flavors, selections, etc that are not influenced by choice.
    Sort of. You likely never tried. In cultures where it is more common or even expected, bisexuality is not universal, but certainly widespread among males.

    Yet you and others cannot say when you made the so called "choice" to be heterosexual.
    you are attempting to make a complex and phased question into a binary one, which explains why your reasoning breaks down. We are each of us born with a range of possibilities and our life occurrences and - yes - choices shape where on that range we will end up.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    Sort of. You likely never tried. In cultures where it is more common or even expected, bisexuality is not universal, but certainly widespread among males.
    Engaging in a homosexual act and being homosexual are two different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are attempting to make a complex and phased question into a binary one, which explains why your reasoning breaks down. We are each of us born with a range of possibilities and our life occurrences and - yes - choices shape where on that range we will end up.
    Again, when did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? Since you cannot answer the very simplest of questions, it shows that your side of the argument fails. You want to believe that homosexuality is a choice, I am not here to change your views. You are going to believe what you want to and I am going to continue to believe what I see around me. I have not seen a homosexual or heterosexual CHOOSE to be attracted to either the opposite sex or same sex.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Engaging in a homosexual act and being homosexual are two different things.
    "We are what we repeatedly do", I believe the man said.

    Again, when did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual?
    It's not a binary issue. Looking back I can definitely see how several of my experiences and choices have shaped my current sexual desires and expressions. The extreme can be seen in those who become addicted to pornography and get into the most unusual of expressions - from animal to child to humiliation.

    But here's a question for your, TNE; in our culture it is considered extremely shameful and severely punishable to have sex with underage minors (children). But in not a few of the central asian cultures, it is rather common. Are those men influenced by their culture, personal history, and choices to be able to be sexually stimulated by children? Or would you argue that it is in their genetic code, they have no choice, and particular races are simply predisposed to pedophilia?

    Since you cannot answer the very simplest of questions, it shows that your side of the argument fails
    The question is a false question because of an artificial binary assumption. It is like asking if one is capable of reading and writing for communications' purposes without specifying what language.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...you just self-contradicted. If factors are sociological and personal, then choice does indeed play a significant role.
    Sociological and personal factors that do not involve making a choice.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    Actually, to be exact, it is probably more of a choice for some and less for others, depending upon both congenital biology and life experiences.
    Did you choose to be straight?

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