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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ontologuy confuses defect with difference. The studies indicate that homosexuality is a difference, but no where in the studies is there any indication that homosexuality is a birth defect. That is not what the studies about epi-marks show. They show differences.
    So the studies are valid then?
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    So the studies are valid then?
    Valid in describing epi-marks and their potential impact. Not valid in proving Ontologuy's position.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I am NOT a biologist or other such scientist, I do however work with and write technical papers (Rocketry and Aerospace related) which leads to this question, how are the studies Ontology presents for our edification, not related to the topic at hand. Is it not about whether or not homosexuality a genetic predisposition or not? Form my admittedly brief perusal, the gist seems to be that homosexuality is essentially a genetic birth anomaly where as the genetic material was corrupted in transcription. The study you presented seems to present something similar in discrepancies between identical twins, ie transcription error and or epigenetic evolution. So twins are not alike because of transcription error, and homosexuality is a result of transcription error as well. Which makes homosexuality at least partially a genetic trait abet an accidental one and not necessarily if at all inherited. That makes sense of the various studies and why in the twin studies the numbers of both twins being homosexual verses one is so low. While you may have disagreements there seems to be evidence that Ontology guy may be at least partially correct. Anyhow I am curious as to why you say the studies are not valid.
    Ontologuy tries to utilize disparate reseach studies in an attempt to identify homosexuality as a defect; which then makes it something people would typically associate via that term as needing a "cure."

    The problem is a matter of viewpoint. One could view red hair as a defect because of it's rarity and the aversion many people seem to have for it when it comes to sexual attraction. Yet it harms no one, and those who are "afflicted" with it are typically content and feel no need to be socially ostracized. And if you are not attracted to redheads, and one approaches you, simply warn them off like any other unwanted encounter.

    The fact remains, we do not know what causes homosexuality. It could be genetic, hormonal, epigenetic, or who knows what...but it occurs with regular frequency thoughout the population down through human history. Finding ways to "demonize" it smack of eugenics ideologies that had us sterilizing the mentally handicaped and euthanizing Jews, Gypsys, and anyone else we found socially offensive.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post

    anti racist is just another buzzword for anti white. Every species has a genetic urge to be with one's own kind and to protect it.


    Yeah I know its horrible to want to protect my species and make sure white children have a future when the undeclared war on my people is destroying us at break neck pace.
    White isn't a species. I'm white and my wife is native, is that an inter-species relationship? And there's no war, declared or other, on 'your' people. Nor are you being destroyed. White people are an ever-diminishing percentage of the population because they have a lower (in some cases, nil) birthrate and that's not because of some third-world, mud-race conspiracy. It's because wealthy people have fewer children.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ah. You ALSO don't know the difference between sexual behavior and sexual orientation. Take a stab at it and tell us.
    Hmm...are you calling into question Lysander's knowledge? Insinuating that he does not really know what he is talking about? With that ALSO compounding the insinuation, right?
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    Hmm...are you calling into question Lysander's knowledge? Insinuating that he does not really know what he is talking about? With that ALSO compounding the insinuation, right?
    His knowledge on THIS topic, sure. He can certainly address this by responding to my challenge.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    False, obviously.

    You simply whine about new scientific realities that conflict with your pre-conceived ideological agenda, nothing more.

    Indeed, this thread's OP scientific link corroborates the epigenetic etiology of homosexuality, that homosexuality is not a genetic "variant", but a gestational epigenetic abnormality, i.e., a birth defect, like spina bifida and cleft palate.

    These are the facts, CC, the scientific facts, that you continue to whine about in thread after thread.
    No, you have completely failed to prove your position. This has been shown in multiple threads by multiple posters. Your scientific links do not indicate "defect". You have been challenged to provide evidence of the "birth defect" but have refused.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Typical of ideologues (libertarian-left) you purposely play dumb to misconstrue the meaning of this thread's OP presentation with respect to the etiology of homosexuality I presented .. so that you can sling an ad hominem (homophobic) against the messenger of the scientific message that you perceive to be a threat to your ideological agenda.

    The relevant fact to the point I made remains: the OP corroborates that there is no known genetic cause of homosexuality -- there's now not even a genetic cause suspected.

    That corroborates the recent scientific presentation that homosexuality's etiology is indeed not genetic at all but is epigenetic, a gestational epigenetic abnormality, a birth defect.

    Ideologues would do well to stop embarrassing themselves on the matter and instead pause for a moment to reflect what the birth defect reality of homosexuality means.

    It means that bullying will be greatly reduced as a result, it means that religious fundamentalists will stop trying to "convert" homosexuals to homosexuality (a painful process for the homosexual), it means that scientific research to find a prevention for the birth defect of homosexuality could be months away from providing a simple vitamin supplement to the pregnant woman (like was done to greatly reduce the incidence of other gestational epigenetic birth defects like spina bifida) to prevent their offspring from having the intrinsic misery-creating birth defect of homosexuality, and in no way should all of this compromise the equal-rights or political position of those supporting equal rights for those suffering from homosexuality, indeed, discrimination should reduce as a result of accepting the epigenetic birth defect reality of homosexuality.

    Though I can understand the existence of the irrational fear of ideologues and activists, it's simply that: irrational .. and, when the matter is considered rationally, there's really no reason not to simply accept the benefits that come with accepting the scientific truth of the matter as I've presented it.
    As I said, nothing above is relevant. You have failed to prove your position and have refused to substantiate it after repeated requests. No science indicates that homosexuality is a birth defect. If you believe it does, post a quote from any of that science that states it.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Continue enjoying being on the wrong side of things if you please.
    Except I'm not. It has been clearly demonstrated that you don't know what you are talking about.

    What ya wanna know? Do you hate white people and kids to?
    Where did you come up with that irrelevant question?

    Reverse that and you are 100% correct. Its amazing up until 1973 CORRECTLY homosexuality was considered a mental disease...
    Wrong again... which seems to be typical. As I demonstrated in another thread in a response to you, homosexuality was INcorrectly considered a mental disorder until 1973 when it was removed.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Well that's what it stands for. 14 words were coined by David Lane a freedom fighter and POW who is dead now.
    David Lane was a terrorist and a racist. His death means that there is one less scumbag on the planet. Please get your facts straight.
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