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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Last time I checked, there is not a single species on the face of the earth that reproduces by homosexual sex. There are billions who reproduce with themselves, but none that I am aware of that reproduce with a member of the same sex.

    Oh, and the animal kingdom has an estimated 3 million to 30 million species in it. 1500 might sound like a lot, but 0.05% - 0.005% surely doesn't.
    I don't think we should base our actions on what the animal kingdom does. We're supposed to be better than that.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Heterosexuality propagates the species. To claim that heterosexuality is not genetic is anti science. There is no genetic proof that people are born gay. We're born with reproductive organs in order to reproduce. Didn't you ever take science in grade school?
    No it doesn't. A man and a woman having sex might cause reproduction. But there are many ways that men and women have sex that do not propagate the species. And a gay person of either sex having sex with another person of any sexuality of the opposite sex will also cause reproduction. Reproduction has little to do with sexuality.

    Sexuality is a personality trait. It is influenced by genetics, whether it is heterosexuality or homosexuality or bisexuality (which personally I think most people are to at least a degree). Those twin studies provide actual evidence that genes in fact do likely play a part in a person's sexuality, no matter what it is.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    All of your information on the topic has been thoroughly debunked and shown to not be credible, simply because all of your evidence has nothing to do with your position.
    False, obviously.

    You simply whine about new scientific realities that conflict with your pre-conceived ideological agenda, nothing more.

    Indeed, this thread's OP scientific link corroborates the epigenetic etiology of homosexuality, that homosexuality is not a genetic "variant", but a gestational epigenetic abnormality, i.e., a birth defect, like spina bifida and cleft palate.

    These are the facts, CC, the scientific facts, that you continue to whine about in thread after thread.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Indeed, this thread's OP scientific link corroborates the epigenetic etiology of homosexuality, that homosexuality is not a genetic "variant", but a gestational epigenetic abnormality, i.e., a birth defect, like spina bifida and cleft palate.

    These are the facts, CC, the scientific facts, that you continue to whine about in thread after thread.
    ACtually the study goes on the false premise that a twin has the SAME DNA which in fact the SCIENTIFIC evidence shows that DNA is not EXACTLY the same in twins and can differ.

    Sorry to trump your homophobic "evidence".

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    ACtually the study goes on the false premise that a twin has the SAME DNA which in fact the SCIENTIFIC evidence shows that DNA is not EXACTLY the same in twins and can differ.

    Sorry to trump your homophobic "evidence".
    There is also the false premise that personality traits, such as homosexuality are either completely determined by a single gene or not determined by genes at all. This is simply wrong. In many cases of personality traits, even besides sexuality, genes play a role, even though they aren't the only thing involved in that particular trait.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't think we should base our actions on what the animal kingdom does. We're supposed to be better than that.
    Which is why the whole "homosexuality is natural or unnatural" debate is absolutely irrelevant and a complete red herring.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is also the false premise that personality traits, such as homosexuality are either completely determined by a single gene or not determined by genes at all. This is simply wrong. In many cases of personality traits, even besides sexuality, genes play a role, even though they aren't the only thing involved in that particular trait.
    Whether there is a gene out there that is "dominant" in determining those things I don't know. I basically don't affirm or deny either way, we don't know for sure (at least right now).

    What I do know is that the gay friends I have and their partners are neither deviant nor a threat to humanity and have raised their straight children quite well. In other words, just like any other heterosexual couple.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't think we should base our actions on what the animal kingdom does. We're supposed to be better than that.
    Except that we share a common ancestor with the rest of the animal kingdom. What is biological and natural in the animal kingdom is probably going to show up in human nature too. I mean we can certainly understand that we're different from animals and that it's not a good idea to base morality on nature, but our DNA sequences are ~98% identical to chimpanzees, bonobos and other great apes. To those that have issues with gay people, seeing that homosexuality is natural and biological for them only emphasizes how homosexuality is natural and biological for humans as well.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't think we should base our actions on what the animal kingdom does. We're supposed to be better than that.
    infanticide, cannibalism, incest, eating other animals ****.... there are many "natural" activities that I want no part of.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    *sigh* I am pointing out the inconsistencies in you argument, not making an argument of my own. Your use of "natural" for human homosexuality and your use of "unnatural" regarding other human actions do not jibe.

    I'm trying to get you to realize that the funky definition of "natural" that includes skyscrapers is YOUR definition as you have applied it to homosexuality.***















    *** - Might be the weirdest sentence I have ever written.
    No you're not...you're acting obtuse. How on earth does a definition that excludes anything man made from being natural somehow including a man made sky scrapper as natural?
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