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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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    Actually it is
    Actually it's not, mind your own beeswax.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    That's interesting, because a quick google search turned up studies that show just the opposite. That homosexuality does have a genetic component.

    Gay Men in Twin Study - NYTimes.com

    The Importance of Twin Studies

    It's almost as if Orthodox.net has an agenda and isn't reporting the information factually.
    Born Gay Hoax: Studies Debunked « Conservative Colloquium

    "The “Gay” Twins Study

    This discredited study was conducted by Michael Bailey, a heterosexual, and Richard Pillard, a same-gender sex activist. In December of 1991, these two researchers published a study of twins, and they claimed to have demonstrated a genetic cause for being “gay.” One same-gender sex magazine, The Advocate, wrote, “They found that 52% of identical twin brothers of gay men were gay, as were 22% of fraternal twin brothers, and 11% of genetically unrelated brothers.” (The Advocate, 3-24-92, p.61)
    There are several problems with this study. First, (assuming that the study was legitimate) in order to show that homosexuality is genetic (in identical twins) if one twin is “gay” the other should also be “gay” 100% of the time. This study, however, did not produce results that demonstrate this. Despite this fact, same-gender sex activists continue to report that this study is proof that people are born “gay.”
    Second, genetics tells us that if one fraternal (non-identical) twin is “gay,” then other non-twin brothers should also be “gay” exactly as often as are the non-identical twin brothers, since non-identical twins and regular brothers are equally genetically different. In this study 22% of fraternal twins both claimed to be “gay.” Therefore, their non-twin brothers should also have claimed to be “gay” 22% of the time. If the non-twin percentage were lower, some environmental cause must have been at fault, not a hidden “gay” gene. But, this was not the case. Yet readers could not have known that this was not the case because Bailey and Pillard left the numbers for the genetically related non-twin brothers out of their original report. Why? If this data had supported their agenda would they not have included it as well?
    According to The Advocate, the researcher’s withheld important information about the non-twin brothers in their study, the article states: “According to Bailey, the released data did not include another group in the study: 142 genetically related non-twin brothers of gay men, of whom only 13—or about 9% were also gay.” (The Advocate 3-24-92, p.61; Michael Bailey is not a homosexual)"

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    First, (assuming that the study was legitimate) in order to show that homosexuality is genetic (in identical twins) if one twin is “gay” the other should also be “gay” 100% of the time. This study, however, did not produce results that demonstrate this.
    You must have missed this little tidbit that CC posted:

    Identical Twins' DNA Varies | LiveScience

    Sorry, but identical twins DNA varies so it is not beyond the realm of one being gay while the other is not.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No....it's pretty easy to understand. I'm not the one being dense here.

    Better yet...why don't you find me a definition where man made cities and skyscrappers are considered natural.

    *sigh* I am pointing out the inconsistencies in you argument, not making an argument of my own. Your use of "natural" for human homosexuality and your use of "unnatural" regarding other human actions do not jibe.

    I'm trying to get you to realize that the funky definition of "natural" that includes skyscrapers is YOUR definition as you have applied it to homosexuality.***















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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic | OrthodoxNet.com Blog
    Hm. Here I thought it was genetic.Either way its not natural.
    That's ok, you should still be allowed to marry any person of your choosing provided the relationship is not otherwise harmful (signs of abuse, close relation, manipulation of a miner or mentally disabled, etc).
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-14-13 at 10:57 AM.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic | OrthodoxNet.com Blog
    Hm. Here I thought it was genetic.Either way its not natural.
    Just because it hypothetically isn't a choice doesn't mean its purely genetic. It could be due to completely pre-puberty environmental factors, and they still wouldn't be "choosing" to be gay. What we are talking about, is whether there are differences in brain chemistry between someone homosexual and someone not homosexual. That doesn't have to be genetic.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Not natural? Homosexuality has existed forever, every country and culture since recorded history. Homosexual behaviors have been observed in close to 1,500 species. I don't care what argument you make but calling it "unnatural" is just false. Not true.
    Last time I checked, there is not a single species on the face of the earth that reproduces by homosexual sex. There are billions who reproduce with themselves, but none that I am aware of that reproduce with a member of the same sex.

    Oh, and the animal kingdom has an estimated 3 million to 30 million species in it. 1500 might sound like a lot, but 0.05% - 0.005% surely doesn't.

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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Women can give blowjobs,women have babies so nope.


    No its truth.


    I care because homosexual activists and their allies are jamming gay history and lifestyle down kids throats in school.


    Actually it is.

    Not biologically.

    I am a racist? Did I say that somewhere or are you just using that good ole talking out of ass thing again?

    Very smart! I know its horrible...
    No, it's not truth. Saying that one thing that occurs is "natural" while saying another that occurs is "not natural" is you selectively choosing what is "natural" and what isn't based on your own attribution of purpose and meaning to the world.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Its not natural. The natural course of nature is to make children/young whatever you want to call it. Can't do it with homosexuality.
    That's ok too, because we accommodate many other unnatural conditions, such as paraplegics, and unnatural choices such as people who have tattoos, or vegetarians. Homosexuality can be an unnatural choice and acceptable.

    Yes, vegetarianism is unnatural; humans are omnivores.
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    Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You must have missed this little tidbit that CC posted:

    Identical Twins' DNA Varies | LiveScience

    Sorry, but identical twins DNA varies so it is not beyond the realm of one being gay while the other is not.

    I agree. I would expect 3% of one of the identical twins to be gay, as that is the esixting percentage in society that are gay. I would expect a slightly higher percentage of gays if the twins were raised in a household where one of the parents was gay.

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