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First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Well, you don't speak for everyone else. Also, he could take a cheaper vacation. Didn't the president actually at one time ask Americans NOT to waste their money in Vegas? Hmm. He's an interesting one that's for sure. :roll:

Never said I spoke for anyone but myself. He could take a cheaper one, then again he could take a more expensive one.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Never said I spoke for anyone but myself. He could take a cheaper one, then again he could take a more expensive one.

I want a president who is willing to make sacrifices for the country and the people of this country. I don't get a fancy vacation and never do, many of us cannot afford to take vacations.

This president patronizes the American people about their spending habits, their arrogance, etc., etc., and HE needs to take a good look in the mirror with his fancy vacations and extravagant parties too.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Gosh, you're right. We should stop all this nonsense, and just let the prez spend whatever he wants on whatever he wants because....after all.... he is the prez. Who are we to whine, after all? It's only our money, right?

Take it up with Congress, they're the ones that spend the money
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Gosh, you're right. We should stop all this nonsense, and just let the prez spend whatever he wants on whatever he wants because....after all.... he is the prez. Who are we to whine, after all? It's only our money, right?

No, you are right to a certain degree. Some whining from the public does keep the president and families from dressing like kings and queens I suppose. But in reality the cost of a president is always going to be high. Even after they leave office their cost to the taxpayer is going to remain high.

I just find it fruitless to go on and on about this every 4 years. But as I said, Whine On.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

I want a president who is willing to make sacrifices for the country and the people of this country. I don't get a fancy vacation and never do, many of us cannot afford to take vacations.

This president patronizes the American people about their spending habits, their arrogance, etc., etc., and HE needs to take a good look in the mirror with his fancy vacations and extravagant parties too.

I don't take fancy vacations either. But I do know people in the service industry who benefit from those who take those fancy vacations. Yes it seems some people live extravagantly but the more they spend means somebody in the service industry benefits. It is always so tricky when you think about that. As long as somebody wants to spend money lavishly I just hope they do it here in the USA.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

At least our republican presidents went to their own ranch, not spending so much of the tax payer dollars.

Yes, they are and were very wealthy and could afford multiple houses.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Yes, they are and were very wealthy and could afford multiple houses.

I'm confused by your post. Are you making the point that because Obama does not have as many houses as some past presidents that that justifies taxpayers paying for his vacations?

Since I don't think we pay the rent on vacation domiciles, the point is not relevant. What is relevant to me is that while Obama is claiming that the sequester has caused closings of public places, including the WH, there still seems to be enough money to fund these vacations and other perks.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

I'm confused by your post. Are you making the point that because Obama does not have as many houses as some past presidents that that justifies taxpayers paying for his vacations?

Since I don't think we pay the rent on vacation domiciles, the point is not relevant. What is relevant to me is that while Obama is claiming that the sequester has caused closings of public places, including the WH, there still seems to be enough money to fund these vacations and other perks.

In addition to the Presidents who had other homes they still did vacations on the taxpayers. So I don't get your point.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Actually Nixon got rid of his Secret Service detail ten years before his death.
See link:

Nixon gives up secret Service protection

The approximate chronology is:

8/9/74 Nixon resigns
3/85 Nixon gives up SS protection
4/22/94 Nixon dies

So Nixon did not give up SS protection "when he resigned", but kept it (@ ~$3.0 million per year)
for over 10 years after leaving office.



Nixon was a practicing attorney unlike Clinton and Obama, so he made his bucks early on during his career.
No he did not make his bucks early in his career.

He was making so little money in private practice pre-war that he applied for a government job
and moved all the way across the country when he was hired. He went into politics in 1946,
not enough time to make any money in private practice before becoming a professional politician.



He made more money during WW ll playing poker in the South Pacific. Lt. Cmdr. Nixon was considered one of the best poker players in the Pacific theater during WW ll. By the time Nixon entered politics right after WW ll he was pretty well off.
Well off enough to finance round-the clock protection 30 years later? Don't be ridiculous.



Also Nixon was an author of many best selling books after his Presidency.

So no slush funds were needed.
Copyright royalties might have provided enough by 1985, provided the cost was a lot less than the
$3million the SS was costing.



Nixon was a very generous person. Ask any one who actually knew him.

Ask any Marine who was White Beach when Nixon would come walking up to them wearing his wingtip shoes while walking along Camp Pendleton beaches. White Beach was his favorite.

Remember the story of Nixon at night at the Lincoln Memorial talking to the hippies ?

I have a lady friend who's father was Nixon's chauffeur after he resigned. When Nixon decided to move from San Clemente to a place where he said "Where nobody likes anyone" that being New York City Nixon gave his Cadillac limo to his chauffeur in appreciation for his services.

Obama compared to Nixon makes Watergate look like an infraction compared to J-walking.
The private, personal Nixon was by all accounts a very nice man.

However, Nixon did not leave himself out of the generosity sweepstakes, see link:

President Nixon's Troublesome Tax Returns

INCOME TAX PAID
1969 $328,161 $72,682
1970 $262,942 $792
1971 $262,384 $878
1972 $268,777 $4,298

That's a tax rate of 6.82% on $1,152,234. I wonder if any Marines were getting away with a rate that low.
I know that for most of my working life I didn't, and I never made anywhere near $200k in a year.

And leaving aside the questionable propriety of several of Nixon's deductions, that rate of income
generation could not have been a significant factor in privately financing security at any time later in Nixon's life.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Yes, they are and were very wealthy and could afford multiple houses.

I am not wealthy and have multiple houses. What is your point?
Obama sure is not poor by any standard.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

I don't give a crap that you don't give a crap about Bush. This country's spending is not out of control. We are a rich country and we have hundreds of millionaires in congress to prove it.

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Your graph includes state and local governments. Under the Obama administration states and local governments had less money to spend like Detroit.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Here's where I see America's short term memory faltering. I'm telling you, this is the same argument some (many) Anti-Bush people used when he was going on vacations. Some (many) here in the forum who are Anti-Obama had no problem defending GW . . . and still do. If you got a dog in this hunt and you were posting on a political website back eight or ten years or so . . . you may want to double check your memory banks to see if your position has evolved . . . or if you're just a hypocrite. No finger pointing from me, this one is all on you guys.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

OMG, not the president's excessive vacation spending thread again. Every four years we have these threads.

When did you ever see a president and family stay in a Motel 6 in your lifetime? Of course it is going to costs thousands.

Everytime a president has to use a toilet to take a dump am certain some taxpayer's money is used to pay for a secret serviceman to take a dump first to make certain there isn't a bomb.

You can go back to the time when Nixon turned on the air conditioner in the summer just so he could like a fire in the fireplace. Whine on.

How do you go from a 7.6million dollar mansion where Obama is airlifting his dog and basketballs on special military aircraft to Motel 6?

Strawman much?

Here's where I see America's short term memory faltering. I'm telling you, this is the same argument some (many) Anti-Bush people used when he was going on vacations. Some (many) here in the forum who are Anti-Obama had no problem defending GW . . . and still do. If you got a dog in this hunt and you were posting on a political website back eight or ten years or so . . . you may want to double check your memory banks to see if your position has evolved . . . or if you're just a hypocrite. No finger pointing from me, this one is all on you guys.

Go ahead and find proof that I defended Bush staying in a 7 million dollar mansion. Find where I defended Bush airlifting his dog and basketballs at taxpayer expense. Oh that's right. That didn't happen. This is the first time those aircraft have ever been used in this capacity. Secondly nobody cares about Bush. Get with the present and stop living in the past. We're 17T in debt. 90% of all jobs created in the economy are part time jobs. Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. We're hurting as Obama pretends like he's King with our money.
 
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Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

See link:

Nixon gives up secret Service protection

The approximate chronology is:

8/9/74 Nixon resigns
3/85 Nixon gives up SS protection
4/22/94 Nixon dies

So Nixon did not give up SS protection "when he resigned", but kept it (@ ~$3.0 million per year)
for over 10 years after leaving office.




No he did not make his bucks early in his career.

He was making so little money in private practice pre-war that he applied for a government job
and moved all the way across the country when he was hired. He went into politics in 1946,
not enough time to make any money in private practice before becoming a professional politician.




Well off enough to finance round-the clock protection 30 years later? Don't be ridiculous.




Copyright royalties might have provided enough by 1985, provided the cost was a lot less than the
$3million the SS was costing.




The private, personal Nixon was by all accounts a very nice man.

However, Nixon did not leave himself out of the generosity sweepstakes, see link:

President Nixon's Troublesome Tax Returns

INCOME TAX PAID
1969 $328,161 $72,682
1970 $262,942 $792
1971 $262,384 $878
1972 $268,777 $4,298

That's a tax rate of 6.82% on $1,152,234. I wonder if any Marines were getting away with a rate that low.
I know that for most of my working life I didn't, and I never made anywhere near $200k in a year.

And leaving aside the questionable propriety of several of Nixon's deductions, that rate of income
generation could not have been a significant factor in privately financing security at any time later in Nixon's life.

Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Nixon. Comparing Obama and Nixon, you must be on Obama's Secret Service watch list.

I remember what the Europeans had to say about Watergate, how those Americans can turn a mole hill into a mountain.
You are aware that Hillary Rodman was on the team to take down the President ? It was the agenda of the radical "New Left" to take out Nixon.

Anyone who served in the military back then remember when it came to income taxes being withheld, you were looking at pennies. Didn't make much money back then. It's been a long time but if I remember correctly, an E-4 with combat pay, it was still less than $300. per month.

Maybe someone else could chime in, did those serving in the military back then have special tax exemptions ?

When I first joined the Corps we were paid in cash. On pay day the pay officer would show up with a .45 strapped on his side along with a SNCO with a .45 strapped on his side holding a box full of greenbacks. Except in Nam and it was military script. So you never saw what was being withheld from your pay. Some months later they switched to a pay check and you could see what taxes were being withheld and it seems it was only a few bucks back then.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Go ahead and find proof that I defended Bush staying in a 7 million dollar mansion. Find where I defended Bush airlifting his dog and basketballs at taxpayer expense. Oh that's right. That didn't happen. This is the first time those aircraft have ever been used in this capacity. Secondly nobody cares about Bush. Get with the present and stop living in the past. We're 17T in debt. 90% of all jobs created in the economy are part time jobs. Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. We're hurting as Obama pretends like he's King with our money.

Apparently, you did not see the word "some". I am sorry you took this personally, but maybe you need to find proof where I specifically pointed to you. I criticized both sides on this issue, because it's stupid. They've been complaining about presidential vacations since Reagan. It's always OK when it's "Their guy" in office.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

My husband has been out of work and has struggled to find a job and I don't begrudge a president and his family a nice vacation. No matter who that president is or was. I can't imagine the stress and think they do deserve something extra for what they have to deal with day to day.

After all, being realistic it's going to cost me personally, at the very highest estimate, not more than $5.00.

Being the leader of the most important country in the world, a country that has a highly divided political landscape, with sequesters, nagging about even the simplest things and turning them into a partisan hate fest, I can understand the president would want to enjoy his vacation with his family and the family pet.

Every president takes holidays and for every president this costs money, that is just the reality of it.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

I don't take fancy vacations either. But I do know people in the service industry who benefit from those who take those fancy vacations. Yes it seems some people live extravagantly but the more they spend means somebody in the service industry benefits. It is always so tricky when you think about that. As long as somebody wants to spend money lavishly I just hope they do it here in the USA.

I don't think Martha's Vineyard is hurting. It's a really rich community. :lol: Good point about spending it in this country though.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Nixon.
In 1972 the first vote I ever cast was for Nixon, and yes, I have a chip on my shoulder
when it comes to him- he let me down with his criminal behavior.



Comparing Obama and Nixon, you must be on Obama's Secret Service watch list.
Huh? Where did I compare Nixon and Obama?



I remember what the Europeans had to say about Watergate, how those Americans can turn a mole hill into a mountain.
Accessory after the fact is a felony, and no felony is ever a "mole hill". That should be obvious
even to a European, and an American really has no excuse.



You are aware that Hillary Rodman was on the team to take down the President ? It was the agenda of the radical "New Left" to take out Nixon.
Hillary was a bit player among 100s of thousands of other bit players, including me.
(Nixon got my 1972 vote because the war was winding down, finally, and I thought
he had more promise as an economic manager)



Anyone who served in the military back then remember when it came to income taxes being withheld, you were looking at pennies. Didn't make much money back then. It's been a long time but if I remember correctly, an E-4 with combat pay, it was still less than $300. per month.

Maybe someone else could chime in, did those serving in the military back then have special tax exemptions ?

When I first joined the Corps we were paid in cash. On pay day the pay officer would show up with a .45 strapped on his side along with a SNCO with a .45 strapped on his side holding a box full of greenbacks. Except in Nam and it was military script. So you never saw what was being withheld from your pay. Some months later they switched to a pay check and you could see what taxes were being withheld and it seems it was only a few bucks back then.
Google tells us the lowest 1960s tax rate was well over 10%:

How the Rich Soaked US

Maybe the military paid different, lower rates.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

This thread in a nutshell:

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Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Google tells us the lowest 1960s tax rate was well over 10%:

How the Rich Soaked US

Maybe the military paid different, lower rates.

That's why I asked in my post if there were any who were serving in the military during the Vietnam War era to chime in if they remembered if we had any exemptions or a lower tax rate ?

A PFC making $90. per month would have noticed he was having 10 % of his pay taken out. $10 back then was a lot of money back then when on liberty. That would be two cases of beer and a whole lot of burgers and fries.

If I was having $30. taken out of my pay every month back in 1970, I'm sure I would have noticed. Maybe I just don't remember ?
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Hillary was a bit player among 100s of thousands of other bit players, including me.
(Nixon got my 1972 vote because the war was winding down, finally, and I thought
he had more promise as an economic manager)
.

Hillary pulled some illegal crap trying to take down a Presidency and was relived from her position.

Back in the 60's and 70's Hillary Rod Rodman had her ties to the radical "New Left" which included the Students For A Democratic Society (SDS) and the terrorist organization Weatherman (Weather Underground) who were behind taking down Nixon and ####### up America.

The impeachment of President Clinton may have had more to do with payback of Hillary's connections to bringing down Nixon than cum on a dress.

Kenneth Star was suppose to be investigating illegal contributions from Communist China to Clinton's reelection campaign and the naturalization of tens of thousands of convicted felon aliens so they could vote the Democrat ticket in 1996. Some where Kenneth Star was side tracked over a lie about a blow job.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Hillary pulled some illegal crap trying to take down a Presidency and was relived from her position. Back in the 60's and 70's Hillary Rod Rodman had her ties to the radical "New Left" which included the Students For A Democratic Society (SDS) and the terrorist organization Weatherman (Weather Underground) who were behind taking down Nixon and ####### up America.

I have no midea what this is about, but it sounds like something that originated
in the mind of an extremist partisan hack.



The impeachment of President Clinton may have had more to do with payback of Hillary's connections to bringing down Nixon than cum on a dress.

See above.



Kenneth Star was suppose to be investigating illegal contributions from Communist China to Clinton's reelection campaign and the naturalization of tens of thousands of convicted felon aliens so they could vote the Democrat ticket in 1996. Some where Kenneth Star was side tracked over a lie about a blow job.
Starr didn't strike me as the kind of guy who you could sidetrack. If he concentrated on
one line of attack then it must have been the only one offering a good chance of success.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

I am not wealthy and have multiple houses. What is your point?
Obama sure is not poor by any standard.

He does not own more than one house. is my point.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

I have no midea what this is about, but it sounds like something that originated
in the mind of an extremist partisan hack.

.

It comes right out of the Congressional report on Watergate. Don't remember the title but can be found in the reference section of almost any decent public library in America. It's all there, the evidence, who was involved and who was involved in bringing down Nixon. The name Hillary Rodham keeps popping up in the report.
In 1973 and 74 Hillary Rodham was extremely involved in taking down the U.S. government. I forget exactly what she did that was illegal but she was fired.
 
Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

Starr didn't strike me as the kind of guy who you could sidetrack. If he concentrated on
one line of attack then it must have been the only one offering a good chance of success.

I suppose back when the act of fellatio was still considered to be a sexual act, committing perjury under oath was also considered to be a crime.
 
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