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    Re: First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, everyone couldn't have known the first time because he was still wet behind the ears at that point. He really didn't have any kind of experience from which to draw an opinion.
    There were plenty of signs. No executive experience, failed community organizing in Chicago, gifted an adjunct job as a political favor, more non votes than yes or no votes as a state rep and absolutely squat as a senator. How can you see that as anything or than what it was?

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    Re: First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There were plenty of signs. No executive experience, failed community organizing in Chicago, gifted an adjunct job as a political favor, more non votes than yes or no votes as a state rep and absolutely squat as a senator. How can you see that as anything or than what it was?
    Don't get the wrong idea. I didn't vote for Obama. Just playing devil's advocate. I think a lot of people might have found his lack of experience refreshing, but he just turned out to be like every other politician.

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    Re: First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There were plenty of signs. No executive experience, failed community organizing in Chicago, gifted an adjunct job as a political favor, more non votes than yes or no votes as a state rep and absolutely squat as a senator. How can you see that as anything or than what it was?
    One of the points you make here is nonsense.

    Obama voted many more times yes or no as a state senator than he voted "present". Of the 4,000 plus times he voted, he voted 100 to 129 times "present" sometimes he did this on his one or with a few other senators but there are just as many times when this was done as a strategy by the democratic caucus he belonged to.

    So no, he voted more non votes than actual votes is totally and utterly untrue.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    One of the points you make here is nonsense.

    Obama voted many more times yes or no as a state senator than he voted "present". Of the 4,000 plus times he voted, he voted 100 to 129 times "present" sometimes he did this on his one or with a few other senators but there are just as many times when this was done as a strategy by the democratic caucus he belonged to.

    So no, he voted more non votes than actual votes is totally and utterly untrue.
    I always heard that he voted present more than actually voting too though. Is there a link to that data?

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    Re: First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I always heard that he voted present more than actually voting too though. Is there a link to that data?
    The record is clear that Obama did vote "present" more than 100 times (we couldn't confirm the 129 figure because records for one session of the state senate during his tenure aren't available electronically). That's out of more than 4,000 votes cast. On many of those votes, Obama was joined by many in his party, making it clear that he was, as he claims, casting votes as part of a broader legislative strategy.
    To evaluate Clinton's claim, PolitiFact reviewed vote tallies and bill descriptions from three of Obama's four terms in the Illinois Senate – the 91st (1999-2000), 92nd (2001-2002) and 93rd (2003-2004) legislative sessions. The information was obtained from the Illinois General Assembly Web site. First, journals for each day were examined for votes and bill numbers where Obama voted "present." Then, bill summaries and vote tally pages were reviewed.

    Records from Obama's first session, the 90th (1998-1999), cannot be electronically retrieved and were not included in this analysis. They are available to the public in hard copy at the state house in Springfield.

    Without the full set of records, we could not verify the 129 figure, though we did count more than 100 "present" votes in the data we had available. The records show "present" votes were a tiny proportion of the more than 4,000 that Obama cast during his tenure in the chamber. Obama's presidential campaign has depicted them as strategic in nature: Either Obama was working with Democratic leaders to thwart Republican legislation when the GOP controlled the Senate, registering opposition to proposals he thought were unconstitutional or ineffective; or he was providing political help to moderates who were under pressure to support some of the bills.

    PolitiFact | Obama's "present" tension
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: What Sequester? First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Yes, Starr had the goods on Clinton re his affair with Lewinski, and that is why he went after Clinton on that count.

    Nailed him too, as in got him impeached.

    The case broke down eventually not because of the soundness of the indictment (Clinton was obviously lying), but because in the end even a Republican-majority Senate did not think it was appropriate to remove a president from office over a trivial personal matter, even if he did commit perjury over it.
    I have been saying for almost two decades now, going after Clinton because he received some oral sex or likes to stick cigars up a womans woo-hoo before smoking them is none of anyones business.

    Kenneth Starr should have stayed on track, his job wasn't suppose to be bringing down Clinton but investigating illegal campaign donations to Clinton's reelection campaign from communist China and investigating the naturalization process under Al Gore's direction where for over two years that 10 % of those who were naturalized as American citizens were convicted felons.

    Once Clinton committed perjury under oath, a crime was committed. The lie may have been over something that was really nobody's business. But Congress took an oath of office to uphold the Constitution. All you have to do is look how they voted in Congress and you see who upheld their oath of office and who ignored the Constitution and ignored their oath to office.

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    First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    One of the points you make here is nonsense.

    Obama voted many more times yes or no as a state senator than he voted "present". Of the 4,000 plus times he voted, he voted 100 to 129 times "present" sometimes he did this on his one or with a few other senators but there are just as many times when this was done as a strategy by the democratic caucus he belonged to.

    So no, he voted more non votes than actual votes is totally and utterly untrue.
    Well...that changes EVERYTHING!

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    Re: First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    To evaluate Clinton's claim, PolitiFact reviewed vote tallies and bill descriptions from three of Obama's four terms in the Illinois Senate – the 91st (1999-2000), 92nd (2001-2002) and 93rd (2003-2004) legislative sessions. The information was obtained from the Illinois General Assembly Web site. First, journals for each day were examined for votes and bill numbers where Obama voted "present." Then, bill summaries and vote tally pages were reviewed.

    Records from Obama's first session, the 90th (1998-1999), cannot be electronically retrieved and were not included in this analysis. They are available to the public in hard copy at the state house in Springfield.

    Without the full set of records, we could not verify the 129 figure, though we did count more than 100 "present" votes in the data we had available. The records show "present" votes were a tiny proportion of the more than 4,000 that Obama cast during his tenure in the chamber. Obama's presidential campaign has depicted them as strategic in nature: Either Obama was working with Democratic leaders to thwart Republican legislation when the GOP controlled the Senate, registering opposition to proposals he thought were unconstitutional or ineffective; or he was providing political help to moderates who were under pressure to support some of the bills.

    PolitiFact | Obama's "present" tension
    Interesting! I never knew that. I always heard that voted present and I believed it. Anyway, it really doesn't help his presidency does it?

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    Re: First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When I heard that they used a Marine V-22 Osprey to transport one fricken dog to Obama's vacation bungalow in the Hamptons and it cost the tax payers $18,800 dollars, what sequestration ?

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