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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It's always amazed me how one side of the political dvide can point the finger at the other side for spewing their ideological "propaganda" all the while spewing their own - or should I say purposely convoluting the issues.

    Your reference to those who don't want health care is a clear reference to the youth - the 26 & under crowd - while your reference to those on food stamps and welfare is a direct refence to the poor. While it is true that some could do more for themselves to change their current condition, others just don't have the means. Our current Medicaid system does make it easy for people to onto these programs but again I say that since it is THE STATES who administer these such programs why do you contiue to lay blame for the revolving door of "entitlements" at the foot of this President?

    You have a health care law that gives financial aid to the states, but most Republican-held states refused the Medicaid expansion and instead enacted their own healthcare reform laws as allowed under Obamacare especially for those states that choose to opt-out. So, why do you play this propaganda game?
    I've always been amazed at how some people pretend to be "objective" when it's clear they are anything but.

    Notice how in his words, nothing is pointed out about Obamas falsehoods? Not a peep. I lay some facts out there and he attacks them.

    Notice how he claims that when I said people who don't want health care is a clear reference to youth? I never said that, he did. Some people of all ages, don't want health insurance, period. Seems to me an "objective" person would have realized that a long time ago.

    Notice how he claims I "lay the blame for the revolving door of entitlements at the foot of this President"? I've never once blamed Obama for starting food stamps, welfare or any entitlement other than Obamacare. I have blamed him for expanding them, which he has and is so easy to check even a brain dead liberal should be able to pull that one off.

    So, why do you play this "propaganda game"? You fool no one, well maybe some liberals.

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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The issue has never been that there were no healthcare plans that would cover people with pre-existing medical conditions. The problem has long been that:

    A) such insuance plans are very expensive; and,
    B) most insuance companies (in partnership w/some major hospitals) will purposely deny patient claims and subsequently drop the patient from the insuance policy OR WORSE - force them to purchase the more expensive "specialty" catastrophic care insurance most of which is currently available at the state level. As far as I know not all private insurance companies where offering pre-existing condition coverage until recently.

    So, it's not that the insuance didn't exist. Just that very few people know about it OR can afford it even as a supplemental policy.
    LOL.

    LOL some more.

    Now the liberal line is it wasn't the pre-existing medical condition factor.

    twist. squirm. sliver.

    Every aspect of Obamacare has been shot down. First it was to make it affordable for all. Nope, not going to happen just like thinking people said it wouldn't. Price is going up.
    Keep your plan if you want to. Nope. Only if you are lucky.
    Going to cost only 1 trillion dollars. Nope. Latest estimate was closer to two trillion.
    And so on and so on.
    The spin never quits. The truth never comes out from the left.

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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Who is the "tax payer"? The individual working class American? The cash-laden investor/speculator who likely could easily afford to take responsibility for his own health care (but according to those who have studied the economics of our heathcare system these people either don't purchase health insurance or jump in and out of the system at-will or worse yet they hide their money in off-shore accounts? Not laying blame here; just stating facts.)? Or is it the large corporation who as we're learning more and more each day just how many of them are paying $0.00 in federal (corporate) taxes? And did I mention they, too, have another self-made tax problem that involes "repatriating" their earnings from abroad into the US financial system?

    Just who is the "tax payer" again? And when you find out who he or she is could you tell us what percentage of his/her gross earnings is taxed? I think the readers would be interested in your findings.
    Now you know who the tax payer is.

    In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.

    The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this groupís tax share has grown faster than their income share.

    Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.

    Who Pays the Most Income Tax?
    Liberals - Punish the Successful, Reward the Unsuccessful
    Liberals - Tax, Borrow, Spend, and Give Free Stuff
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    Re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million Pe

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was thinking just the other day how Obama's terms will go down in the history books as the lost decade.
    When added on to Bush's, it's 2 lost decades.

    I was thinking that when Clinton was President, you guys had your cute little bumperstickers about "Impeach Hillary and her husband." Now that she might run, you're panicking. Why? Afraid of going before the public and saying you were wrong then? Or afraid of saying we couldn't stand to have an economy like we had in the 90s?


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    Re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million Pe

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    I've always been amazed at how some people pretend to be "objective" when it's clear they are anything but.

    Notice how in his words, nothing is pointed out about Obamas falsehoods? Not a peep. I lay some facts out there and he attacks them.

    Notice how he claims that when I said people who don't want health care is a clear reference to youth? I never said that, he did. Some people of all ages, don't want health insurance, period. Seems to me an "objective" person would have realized that a long time ago.

    Notice how he claims I "lay the blame for the revolving door of entitlements at the foot of this President"? I've never once blamed Obama for starting food stamps, welfare or any entitlement other than Obamacare. I have blamed him for expanding them, which he has and is so easy to check even a brain dead liberal should be able to pull that one off.

    So, why do you play this "propaganda game"? You fool no one, well maybe some liberals.
    Then let's look at some truths concerning the healthcare law.

    Yes, individuals between 18-25 aren't rushing out to purchase health insurance. Why? Because the law allows them to remain on their parent's insurance until they reach age 26. Now, they had the CLASS Act, but they reasoned accurately enough, "Why take money out of my pocket to pay for a half-assed insuance plan from my low income job when I can remain on my parent's insurance and it won't cost them much more under a family health plan?".

    Folks who don't like the law try veryhard to phrase arguments on two fronts. Yours attempted to do just that arguing on the one hand that young people aren't buying health insurance while complaining on the other hand how the poor remain depended on entitlement program moreso because they want to not simply because they lack skills that would allow them to change their economic condition. Of course, that's not to excuse those who truly don't want to do for themselves. Nonetheless, I've seen both sides of the "needy" and can tell you for certain there are more people out there who want to do better for themselves than there are those who just want hand outs. However, that doesn't remove the fact that "the greedy" & "the needy" have both been a drain on this county. UUnfortunately, too many of you have come to the defense along a singular side. It is you who miss the truth because you fall on the side of whatever ideology you favor the most.
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    Re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million Pe

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    When added on to Bush's, it's 2 lost decades.

    I was thinking that when Clinton was President, you guys had your cute little bumperstickers about "Impeach Hillary and her husband." Now that she might run, you're panicking. Why? Afraid of going before the public and saying you were wrong then? Or afraid of saying we couldn't stand to have an economy like we had in the 90s?
    I never, ever had a bumper sticker on any of my vehicles, and never will. I'm not panicked over Hillary's prospects. I am protecting my nuts, though.

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    Re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million Pe

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I never, ever had a bumper sticker on any of my vehicles, and never will. I'm not panicked over Hillary's prospects. I am protecting my nuts, though.
    If she didn't cut off Bill's, you're probably safe.


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    Re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million Pe

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    When added on to Bush's, it's 2 lost decades.

    I was thinking that when Clinton was President, you guys had your cute little bumperstickers about "Impeach Hillary and her husband." Now that she might run, you're panicking. Why? Afraid of going before the public and saying you were wrong then? Or afraid of saying we couldn't stand to have an economy like we had in the 90s?
    That was a funny bumper sticker.

    But no, at least myself, no panic. At least of her proven lack of integrity, incompetent self. The standard is so low right now, it would be hard for even her to make things worse. She would bring more scandal's though. Her and the truth have never gone hand and hand and at this stage, she ain't changing.

    Sure everybody would love the economy of the 90's. But the next president will not be lucky enough to reap the benefits of Regan's Presidency and a once in a lifetime dot.com boom. Whoever the next president is will have to follow Obama and Obamacare and his additional taxes and his additional regulations and so on. Unless Obamcare goes, it doesn't matter who the president is, a roaring economy isn't in the forecast.

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    Re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million Pe

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    That was a funny bumper sticker.

    But no, at least myself, no panic. At least of her proven lack of integrity, incompetent self. The standard is so low right now, it would be hard for even her to make things worse. She would bring more scandal's though. Her and the truth have never gone hand and hand and at this stage, she ain't changing.

    Sure everybody would love the economy of the 90's. But the next president will not be lucky enough to reap the benefits of Regan's Presidency and a once in a lifetime dot.com boom. Whoever the next president is will have to follow Obama and Obamacare and his additional taxes and his additional regulations and so on. Unless Obamcare goes, it doesn't matter who the president is, a roaring economy isn't in the forecast.
    So the next Republican President will spend at least 4 years blaming Obama? At least you're being honest about it up front.


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    Re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million Pe

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If she didn't cut off Bill's, you're probably safe.
    We don't know that she didn't. Seems like Tipper got Al's, too. This fascination on the political left with nuts - Tea Baggers and all of that - just has to stop. I'm checking right now to see whether or not Hillary has some vested interest in the "Neuticle" phenomenon.

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