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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    A symphony of talking points.

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    This from the person that started a thread by using a wide paintbrush to paint a BS talking point. Oh that there broke the irony meter!
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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    It does not take thousands of pages of law, countless exceptions, exemptions and waivers to do that. Simply adding those folks to Medicaid (with the sliding, AGI scaled, individual "contributions") would have accomplished that part. The problem with that approach is simply that the cost would have been readily apparant to all.
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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    You're either woefully ignorant or intentionally lying. People could not only be denied health insurance for pre-existing conditions, but in some cases if they got diagnosed with a dread disease they could be dropped.
    LOL.

    You really don't have a clue. How's it feel to be a puppet?

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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    Do you really want to know the answer to this question? Just think of the mechanism bywhich Republicans plan to use in order to defund ObamaCare and the answer may begin to become more obvious.
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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You think the health care system we had previously, a system where people could be denied insurance coverage because of a pre existing conditions, to be better then a health care system where a person cannot be denied coverage because of preexisting conditions.
    The CBO says in the end there will still be 30 million people without health insurance. What about them? Obamacare is a total failure, in addition costing the Tax payer an additional trillion dollars over ten years. But I recall Obama said it was going to save money for everyone. And you could keep your insurance if you wanted. All not true. Of course the Dem's passed Obamacare that they never read without one Republican vote.
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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Wondering what? Why Obama never tells the truth?

    Even the CBO of all places, released a report in May saying with Obamacare, over the next ten years at least 30 million people will be left uninsured in America. And who's Obama kidding besides the brain dead? Come the first of the year, 30 million people are not going to have health insurance overnight. It's more likely, they never get any. Report after report already show people currently eligible and know about it, don't sign up. They don't want it. Unless of course they have chosen a profession of food stamps and welfare. ( I realize some people need help, I'm referring to those that have pretty much refused to work because Uncle Sugar provides). The main thing most people can count on, is paying new and higher taxes for well, less health care. And who are the 150 million benefiting and how "from other aspects of affordable health care"? He doesn't even bother telling another lie explaining that nonsense.
    It's always amazed me how one side of the political dvide can point the finger at the other side for spewing their ideological "propaganda" all the while spewing their own - or should I say purposely convoluting the issues.

    Your reference to those who don't want health care is a clear reference to the youth - the 26 & under crowd - while your reference to those on food stamps and welfare is a direct refence to the poor. While it is true that some could do more for themselves to change their current condition, others just don't have the means. Our current Medicaid system does make it easy for people to onto these programs but again I say that since it is THE STATES who administer these such programs why do you contiue to lay blame for the revolving door of "entitlements" at the foot of this President?

    You have a health care law that gives financial aid to the states, but most Republican-held states refused the Medicaid expansion and instead enacted their own healthcare reform laws as allowed under Obamacare especially for those states that choose to opt-out. So, why do you play this propaganda game?
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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    The CBO says in the end there will still be 30 million people without health insurance. What about them? Obamacare is a total failure, in addition costing the Tax payer an additional trillion dollars over ten years. But I recall Obama said it was going to save money for everyone. And you could keep your insurance if you wanted. All not true. Of course the Dem's passed Obamacare that they never read without one Republican vote.
    Who is the "tax payer"? The individual working class American? The cash-laden investor/speculator who likely could easily afford to take responsibility for his own health care (but according to those who have studied the economics of our heathcare system these people either don't purchase health insurance or jump in and out of the system at-will or worse yet they hide their money in off-shore accounts? Not laying blame here; just stating facts.)? Or is it the large corporation who as we're learning more and more each day just how many of them are paying $0.00 in federal (corporate) taxes? And did I mention they, too, have another self-made tax problem that involes "repatriating" their earnings from abroad into the US financial system?

    Just who is the "tax payer" again? And when you find out who he or she is could you tell us what percentage of his/her gross earnings is taxed? I think the readers would be interested in your findings.
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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    You're either woefully ignorant or intentionally lying. People could not only be denied health insurance for pre-existing conditions, but in some cases if they got diagnosed with a dread disease they could be dropped.
    Thought that I would ad this because of your "woefully ignorant or intentionally lying" typical brain dead liberal line. This chart comes from Wikipedia. org so it's not an "official" chart. But people capable of thought should be able to get the idea that insurance has always been available for most even with pre-existing conditions because of exclusion periods. Granted, they varied state by state and even by policy type and such but the "I can't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition" has not once, that I'm aware of been mention by any lying Democrat since the entire scam began, in a truthful, honest light. But then nothing else about the bill was either, so why should any American expect a democrat to ever tell the truth?

    "Current pre-existing condition exclusion regulation[edit source]

    Individual (non-group) health insurance plans[7]
    Maximum pre-existing condition exclusion period 6 months — Massachusetts, Oregon; New Mexico*
    9 months — Washington; New Hampshire*
    12 months — California, Idaho, Kentucky, Maine, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Vermont; Colorado*, Connecticut*, Maryland*, Mississippi*, Montana*, North Carolina*, North Dakota*, Ohio*, Pennsylvania*, Rhode Island*, South Dakota*, Utah*, Virginia*, West Virginia*, Wyoming*
    18 months — Minnesota
    2 years — Alabama*, Florida*, Georgia*, Illinois*, Iowa*, Kansas*, South Carolina*, Tennessee*, Texas*, Wisconsin*
    3 years — Hawaii*
    10 years — Indiana
    unlimited — Alaska*, Arizona*, Arkansas*, Delaware*, District of Columbia*, Louisiana*, Missouri*, Nebraska*, Nevada*, Oklahoma*

    Elimination riders permanently excluding pre-existing conditions prohibited — California, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Washington
    permitted* — 37 other states + DC

    Maximum look-back period for pre-existing conditions 3 months — New Hampshire
    6 months — Idaho, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Utah, Washington, Wyoming
    12 months — California, Colorado, Connecticut, Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia
    2 years — Florida, Illinois, West Virginia
    3 years — Montana, Rhode Island,
    5 years — Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Texas
    unlimited — Alaska, Arizona, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Wisconsin


    Small group (2 to 50 employees) health insurance plans[8]
    Maximum pre-existing condition exclusion period 0 months — Hawaii, Maryland, Michigan
    3 months — Kansas
    6 months — California, Colorado, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island
    9 months — Indiana, New Hampshire, Washington
    12 months — 36 other states + DC

    Maximum look-back period for pre-existing conditions 0 months — Hawaii, Maryland, Michigan
    3 months — Kansas, New Hampshire
    6 months — 45 other states + DC

    Wikipedia.org"

    So liberal, while I am no insurance industry expert, at least I am aware of the basic provisions of how the industry functions. That makes you the ignorant bozo but liberals are so that's no surprise. Unless of course you were aware of this and were lying but liberals do that all the time as well. So which are you, woefully ignorant or a liar?

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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    The issue has never been that there were no healthcare plans that would cover people with pre-existing medical conditions. The problem has long been that:

    A) such insuance plans are very expensive; and,
    B) most insuance companies (in partnership w/some major hospitals) will purposely deny patient claims and subsequently drop the patient from the insuance policy OR WORSE - force them to purchase the more expensive "specialty" catastrophic care insurance most of which is currently available at the state level. As far as I know not all private insurance companies where offering pre-existing condition coverage until recently.

    So, it's not that the insuance didn't exist. Just that very few people know about it OR can afford it even as a supplemental policy.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 08-11-13 at 09:57 AM.
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    re: Obama : Republicans' 'Unifying Principle' Is Denying Health Care To 30 Million People

    Another way of looking at this is that people in the remainder of that 30, the overwhelming majority of Americans, will see their costs rise and their benefits diminish as a direct result of the unified and celebrated actions of Democrats.

    I have always been a proponent of a Universal Health Care System which provides basic and major medical coverage to all who NEED it. Obama and his half-witted troupe want to make sure that EVERYONE needs it and that everyone has a chance to die equally thanks to substandard care. Of course the Wealthy who have enough coin out of pocket will thrive, the political class with their exemptions, will thrive -- So who will see the greatest increase in cost while decrease in service? That's right you guessed it, the middle class.

    Good Job Dems, you've once again become the Party of the poor. Too bad you had to destroy the middle class to get there.

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