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RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

Middleground said:
You write "battered spouse," but your link says "battered woman defense." Why? Was your purpose to distort?
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1) Seriously? Maybe try reading first before tossing out accusations

From the link:
The battered woman defense also referred to as battered woman syndrome is a defense used in court that ***the person*** accused of an assault / murder was suffering from ***battered person syndrome*** at the material time. ***Because the defense is most commonly used by women***, it is usually characterised in court as battered woman syndrome or battered wife syndrome...

...Gender is also irrelevant. In AG's Reference (No.24 of 2003) (2003) EWCA Crime 2451, the defendant, who had a low IQ, suffered prolonged taunting from his wife as to his illiteracy and impotency. During an argument, he stabbed her (and his son) and then wounded himself with a knife purchased during a break in the argument to harm himself rather than others. Sentences of three and a half years for each offence to be served concurrently were imposed, the sentencing judge referring to the defendant as having been worn down over months and eventually broken by the cruel taunting of his wife and being forbidden from seeing his children.
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Has there been any single case where a man shot his wife because he was battered by her? There might be a few out there, but you do know it's primarily a woman's syndrome, right?
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What exactly is the purpose of your reply here?
 
There's no justification for what he did. He posted a bloody picture of his dead wife on Facebook, for crying out loud, where her child could see it. He was ****ing proud of what he'd done.

Self-defense my ass.
 
DiAnna said:
There's no justification for what he did. He posted a bloody picture of his dead wife on Facebook, for crying out loud, where her child could see it. He was ****ing proud of what he'd done.

Self-defense my ass.
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I'd be interested to see if he had any injuries and how severe they were. Really, I can't see a man beating a woman to death in self defense in very many scenarios.
 
ChrisL said:
I'd be interested to see if he had any injuries and how severe they were. Really, I can't see a man beating a woman to death in self defense in very many scenarios.
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He didn't beat her to death. He shot her to death. I'd wager he didn't have a mark on him.
 
ChrisL said:
So? Doesn't mean he will succeed.
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Probably not but you never know. Florida's SYG law is a little too open from what I recall of it in the Case That Shall Not Be Mentioned By Name.
 
DiAnna said:
He didn't beat her to death. He shot her to death. I'd wager he didn't have a mark on him.
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Oops, I carelessly read where it said "she" was punching him to mean he was punching her. :doh

I'd bet you're right about no marks. I think she would have to be an unusually big strong woman for him to fear for his life from her punching him. :roll: His story is absolutely ridiculous.
 
Fisher said:
Probably not but you never know. Florida's SYG law is a little too open from what I recall of it in the Case That Shall Not Be Mentioned By Name.
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I don't think so. I completely agree with the verdict in that "other" case. Completely different situation too.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't think so. I completely agree with the verdict in that "other" case. Completely different situation too.
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Well this guy is clearly nutty as a fruitcake, but I don't put anything past a jury in some places.
 
Fisher said:
Well this guy is clearly nutty as a fruitcake, but I don't put anything past a jury in some places.
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Clearly. The fact that he posted his wife's dead body online makes that obvious IMO. Taking pictures of her after he killed her, jeez! :(
 
ChrisL said:
Clearly. The fact that he posted his wife's dead body online makes that obvious IMO. Taking pictures of her after he killed her, jeez! :(
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I sort of am wondering if he is special needs or very slow.
 
DiAnna said:
There's no justification for what he did. He posted a bloody picture of his dead wife on Facebook, for crying out loud, where her child could see it. He was ****ing proud of what he'd done.

Self-defense my ass.
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the child was actually home at the time and was even left there while he went to the police and turned himself in (I think she is ten).

PS I also wasn't offering a defense for the guy. But pointing out that his story (because people were theorizing he was building a defense) could fall under older defense strategies than SYG
 
Fisher said:
I sort of am wondering if he is special needs or very slow.
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Could be. We already know he doesn't know how to use punctuation. :mrgreen:
 
ChrisL said:
Could be. We already know he doesn't know how to use punctuation. :mrgreen:
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Yeah. I obviously don't know anything of this guy other than what was posted, but I have represented some low IQ types--like in the 70's--who have very childish logic, and are easily impressionable by what they see and hear on TV, and respond to situations in inappropriate and illogical ways. I don't know why I feel this could be the case here, but it just smells a little of it.
 
Fisher said:
Yeah. I obviously don't know anything of this guy other than what was posted, but I have represented some low IQ types--like in the 70's--who have very childish logic, and are easily impressionable by what they see and hear on TV, and respond to situations in inappropriate and illogical ways. I don't know why I feel this could be the case here, but it just smells a little of it.
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I couldn't say. I don't know anything about him except that he killed his wife and posted the pictures online. He's either really stupid or he has a plan.
 
MaggieD said:
If Florida law allows for a man to shoot and kill his wife because she punched him, the law needs changing. That would be outrageous. He's better be battered, blue and bleeding.
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From what I understand about SYG, if he felt that his life was threatened by her at the time of the shooting, then that is justification for his action.
 
Middleground said:
From what I understand about SYG, if he felt that his life was threatened by her at the time of the shooting, then that is justification for his action.
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well it is more if a reasonable person would have felt.......
 
Fisher said:
well it is more if a reasonable person would have felt.......
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Well that is the big can of worms that SYG creates, don't you think? How scared a person is for their life can be quite subjective, I think.
 
Middleground said:
That it's called battered woman syndrome of a reason.
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A defense can't be sex based. It's just generally called "the battered women defense" because the majority of cases involving it concerned women. The actual psychological condition it is based on is called "Battered person syndrome"
 
Middleground said:
Well that is the big can of worms that SYG creates, don't you think? How scared a person is for their life can be quite subjective, I think.
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It's the standard used in any self-defense case.
 
Middleground said:
Well that is the big can of worms that SYG creates, don't you think? How scared a person is for their life can be quite subjective, I think.
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sure but it is a way for the jury to do the what would I do because there is no way to know what really goes on in people's heads thing
 
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