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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    in the post I was replying to you wrote "Well that is the big can of worms that SYG creates, don't you think?" in response to someone citing the reasonable person standard.

    The reasonable person standard is what is used in all self-defense cases
    Including SYG?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Well that is the big can of worms that SYG creates, don't you think? How scared a person is for their life can be quite subjective, I think.
    Regular old self-defense laws say the same thing.

    SYG laws prevent criminal and, almost more importantly, civil courts from judging a person by, "Why didn't you run away?"
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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Regular old self-defense laws say the same thing.
    Okay, if that is the case, then why the need for SYG laws??? Why did ALEC work so god-damned tirelessly hard to push this legislation???
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Okay, if that is the case, then why the need for SYG laws??? Why did ALEC work so god-damned tirelessly hard to push this legislation???
    Because it insulates the shooter (as an example) from civil suit. Ever hear of a burglar being shot by a homeowner and the homeowner being sued by the burglar? Or by the burglar's family if the burglar dies? SYG laws prevent that from happening. SYG laws prohibit the courts or the jury from saying, "Well, you didn't have to kill him (or hurt him that badly). You could have run out the back door."

    Edit: SYG laws eliminate the need for retreat before people are allowed to defend themselves with deadly force.
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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    "My wife was punching me and I was not going to stand anymore with the abuse" does not in any way equate that he was in fear for his life.
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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    No you didn't. I was just trying to show that it's a self-defence stance that pertains mainly to women. The word "spouse" is misleading.
    That was made clear in the wiki article I linked to. So yeah, you seem a tad reactive here, to say the least

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Including SYG?
    Again, I was responding to a post where you wrote: "Well that is the big can of worms that SYG creates".

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    Gee, I wish I found this as amusing as you do.
    I find it hilarious. They get married, get divorced because they dont get along, get remarried.
    Sorry, you just cant fix stupid sometimes.

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    "My wife was punching me and I was not going to stand anymore with the abuse" does not in any way equate that he was in fear for his life.
    Sure it does, because if he had lifted a finger in defence. He would be in jail right now for spouse abuse.
    Thats why at the first sign of crazy, you bail on that relationship. It will never get better.

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Sure it does, because if he had lifted a finger in defence. He would be in jail right now for spouse abuse.
    Thats why at the first sign of crazy, you bail on that relationship. It will never get better.
    Bail. B*A*I*L. Not "Shoot to Kill."
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