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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    BWS is not a law. SYG is.
    some states do not allow it I think. It still has to be an imminent threat not a general fear based on prior acts

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

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    It's the standard used in any self-defense case.
    Not in states that don't have SYG. What SYG allows is the use of lethal force for protection if the "victim" is afraid for their lives. Before SYG, or in other states that don't have SYG, the "victim," under the law, could only use comparable force if felt threatened. So, if someone tries to punch you, it's not okay to take out a gun and blow their brains out. This blurb explains it well, and I think your state self-defense laws--before SYG--were pretty much comparable:

    CBC News: If we ever fear our family is in danger in public, do we have the right to defend them, even if the threat is a perceived one?

    Nichols says this is the greyest area of the law, but, unless the person was actually taking some sort of action, or was using some kind of assaultive force, you wouldnt be justified in doing too much.

    Cohen says if a person reasonably believes a potential threat is imminent, and a judge agrees with the reasoning, then they would likely not be penalized for their actions.

    It's more difficult for Canadians to understand because it seems more people are involved in this type of situation in the United States, he said.

    The so-called perceived threat and the level of response is part of the practical reality that surrounds the law in these situations, Cohen says.

    Theres no necessity to retreat, as depending on the circumstances, it [defending yourself] could have been the right thing to do.

    It comes down to whether the amount of force used could be considered reasonable, given the situation. Cohen says, for example, if you were getting out of your car and some young kid came up to you and started bugging you for money, and you didnt give it to him and he became aggressive, the law wouldnt support you if you beat them senseless.

    CBC News: Under what circumstances in Canada is the use of lethal force allowed?

    Again, Nichols says the decision is in the judge's hands, and is made on a case-by-case basis.

    It all comes back to what is reasonable in the circumstance, she says. "A judge would have to find you had no other choice.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    A defense can't be sex based. It's just generally called "the battered women defense" because the majority of cases involving it concerned women. The actual psychological condition it is based on is called "Battered person syndrome"
    Yes, it overwhelmingly applies to women.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    sure but it is a way for the jury to do the what would I do because there is no way to know what really goes on in people's heads thing
    Yeah, but again, what frightens me could be totally different to another person.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    How awful!
    Be skeptical of anyone who wears a political label - party or ideology - with pride. Most of our problems are because people love to "debate" (it isn't debate, but they pretend it is), but are not interested in developing solutions. Solutions require empathy, thought, and compromise, and most folks aren't interested.

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    some states do not allow it I think. It still has to be an imminent threat not a general fear based on prior acts
    Sorry, I'm not getting what you are saying.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Not in states that don't have SYG.
    in the post I was replying to you wrote "Well that is the big can of worms that SYG creates, don't you think?" in response to someone citing the reasonable person standard.

    The reasonable person standard is what is used in all self-defense cases

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Yes, it overwhelmingly applies to women.
    Yeah, I never claimed it wasn't ... Honestly, I'm still lost on what you are trying to convey. You seem like your being combative and trying to argue against a position I never took

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

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    Re: RIP, Jennifer Alfonso

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yeah, I never claimed it wasn't ... Honestly, I'm still lost on what you are trying to convey. You seem like your being combative and trying to argue against a position I never took
    No you didn't. I was just trying to show that it's a self-defence stance that pertains mainly to women. The word "spouse" is misleading.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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