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Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ [W:161]

Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Thanks! I wonder what HoJ will think of it, after all it's better than his photo.

Psst: I generally don't pay attention to avatars. Your posts are ignorant enough in themselves to entertain without visual aids.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

An improvement over what? A can of spam?

I'm not Obama's biggest fan, but when I think of people who would make worse Presidents, she's right at the top of my list with Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich. A lot of Conservatives feel the same way.

Palin was the victim of a pretty vicious media campaign and she is associated with lots of quotes she never said. She had experience as a small business woman, rose to Mayor of Wasilla and then became a popular governor who did a good job by most accounts in Alaska. She negotiated oil pipeline deals, fishing rights with Russia and fought corruption in the Alaska republican party as an Alaskan republican governor. She may not have been an ideal campaigner as a vice president candidate but comparing her to a can of spam is unnecessarily disrespectful and a little ignorant.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

I think progressivism is a pretty well known and well defined concept. So I don't feel the need to engage your odd rhetoric.

Why not ?

If it's well known, what are you scared of ?

The "progressive" attitude where you have a self-appointed elite of sophisticates who claim to have "scientific" methods for making decisions that will change the lives of millions, always unpredictable and mostly in negative ways.

What was the most sucessfull accomplishment of Progressives in America, prohibition, the Dillingham Commission, the ideology that some races and ethnicities are superior to others, American nationalism ?

Who are those progressives that today progressive always like to point out, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodward Wilson, William P. Dillingham and what did they all have in common ?

Lenin, Stalin borrowed from progressivism, Hitler heavily borrowed from progressivism, but all three had the cajones not to hide behind the label of progressivism.

Are todays progressives really progressives or are they something else hiding behind the label of progressivism ?
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Read Boyington's autobiography, it's all there.

The pilots were picked up from replacement squadrons who weren't being picked up by other squadrons.

Nobody but you has referred to the pilots of VMF-214 as being a discipline problem or rejects, you probably picked that up from watching the TV series.


Probably the best Boyington sea story I remember took place around the late 1930's when he was stationed at North Island NAS and got stuck with the duty across the bay at MCRD for some enlisted Marine dance. He got so ####faced instead of taking a taxi to the ferry building to take the ferry over to Coronado he decided to swim across the bay to North Island. This was like around midnight. He took his shoes off, hung them over his neck and while in uniform started swimming. Eventualy he made it to shore, climbed up and found he was back at MCRD, he swam in a circle.

Now Boyington is another topic when it came being a discipline problem. Read his autobiography. He got into a lot of fights and was a heavy drinker. Boyington claims he would take off on a combat mission with a bottle of scotch and would crack the canopy while smoking a cigaret.

Boyington was a muscular husky fellow. He still was when my father introduced me to him around 1958. Like I said he loved to fight. The last time I saw Boyington he was with his daughter, good looking tall blond. This was probably during the early or mid 80's, he had cancer by then and was about half his weight.

I do have to stand corrected, I mentioned that the Black Sheep squadron was VMF-314 it was actually VMF-214.

You still are showing no evidence you know anything about Boyington beyond the TV series. The pilots where not "not picked up by other squadrons", they where in fact assigned to the squadron and Boyington given command. Some where exceptional with great records. At the time, enough replacement pilots was an issue and squadrons happily took whoever they could get.

Look, you can claim to have met any one. It is the internets. No one can prove you didn't. When I met Jesus, Ghandi, Julius Ceasar and Ghengas Khan, they told me some great stories too. I bete if I told you about them they would match up with real history and not the made up stuff you pander with.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Psst: I generally don't pay attention to avatars. Your posts are ignorant enough in themselves to entertain without visual aids.

You must not have been paying attention when you chose your avatar.

For a liberal, especially one like you, to think my posts are ignorant is a badge of honor.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Palin was the victim of a pretty vicious media campaign and she is associated with lots of quotes she never said. She had experience as a small business woman, rose to Mayor of Wasilla and then became a popular governor who did a good job by most accounts in Alaska. She negotiated oil pipeline deals, fishing rights with Russia and fought corruption in the Alaska republican party as an Alaskan republican governor. She may not have been an ideal campaigner as a vice president candidate but comparing her to a can of spam is unnecessarily disrespectful and a little ignorant.

Honestly every time I ever watched Palin she kind of impressed me even though she's a little too "feel good". Only ever hear bad about her when someone else is talking for her.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

You still are showing no evidence you know anything about Boyington beyond the TV series. The pilots where not "not picked up by other squadrons", they where in fact assigned to the squadron and Boyington given command. Some where exceptional with great records. At the time, enough replacement pilots was an issue and squadrons happily took whoever they could get.

Look, you can claim to have met any one. It is the internets. No one can prove you didn't. When I met Jesus, Ghandi, Julius Ceasar and Ghengas Khan, they told me some great stories too. I bete if I told you about them they would match up with real history and not the made up stuff you pander with.

If you want to discuss Boyington, start a thread under the academia or military forums. I'm sure I'll jump in and participate.
Going from the VMF-214 Black Sheep squadron too Boyington is thread drift.

BTW, of the four individuals you met, who were the most interesting ?
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Why not ?

If it's well known, what are you scared of ?

The "progressive" attitude where you have a self-appointed elite of sophisticates who claim to have "scientific" methods for making decisions that will change the lives of millions, always unpredictable and mostly in negative ways.

What was the most sucessfull accomplishment of Progressives in America, prohibition, the Dillingham Commission, the ideology that some races and ethnicities are superior to others, American nationalism ?

Who are those progressives that today progressive always like to point out, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodward Wilson, William P. Dillingham and what did they all have in common ?

Lenin, Stalin borrowed from progressivism, Hitler heavily borrowed from progressivism, but all three had the cajones not to hide behind the label of progressivism.

Are todays progressives really progressives or are they something else hiding behind the label of progressivism ?

Glenn? Is that you? Come on buddy, no need to hide.
But seriously, this is just absurd. You might possibly be able to call Lenin/Stalin a conservative progressive (or torry as it is know across the pond) but even then it would still be a supremely extremist version of progressive nationalism. Which is in no way the same as a modern American progressive. This precisely the reason that the ignorant (read uninformed) should not discuss complex political topics. You simply do not understand what modern progressivism is.

You are right, at the turn of the century, many Americans who identified as "progressive" believed in what they colloquially called "scientific racism" but by the same token, so did the vast majority of conservatives. The difference is that in the last 100 years one of those groups has completely changed their view on the matter.

But heck with it, go ahead and keep thinking that the term "progressive" is some sort of insult. To quote the Greatest American Novel ever written and the paragon of honor who resides within:
“It’s never an insult to be called what somebody thinks is a bad name. It just shows you how poor that person is, it doesn't hurt you.”
Palin was the victim of a pretty vicious media campaign and she is associated with lots of quotes she never said. She had experience as a small business woman, rose to Mayor of Wasilla and then became a popular governor who did a good job by most accounts in Alaska. She negotiated oil pipeline deals, fishing rights with Russia and fought corruption in the Alaska republican party as an Alaskan republican governor. She may not have been an ideal campaigner as a vice president candidate but comparing her to a can of spam is unnecessarily disrespectful and a little ignorant.


Let me try to phrase this in a way you might understand:

Sarah Palin WILL do to science what you are terrified Barrack Obama might do to your guns.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Glenn? Is that you? Come on buddy, no need to hide.
But seriously, this is just absurd. You might possibly be able to call Lenin/Stalin a conservative progressive (or torry as it is know across the pond) but even then it would still be a supremely extremist version of progressive nationalism. Which is in no way the same as a modern American progressive. This precisely the reason that the ignorant (read uninformed) should not discuss complex political topics. You simply do not understand what modern progressivism is.

You are right, at the turn of the century, many Americans who identified as "progressive" believed in what they colloquially called "scientific racism" but by the same token, so did the vast majority of conservatives. The difference is that in the last 100 years one of those groups has completely changed their view on the matter.

But heck with it, go ahead and keep thinking that the term "progressive" is some sort of insult. To quote the Greatest American Novel ever written and the paragon of honor who resides within:
“It’s never an insult to be called what somebody thinks is a bad name. It just shows you how poor that person is, it doesn't hurt you.”



Let me try to phrase this in a way you might understand:

Sarah Palin WILL do to science what you are terrified Barrack Obama might do to your guns.

I see, those progressives of today aren't really socialist, it's just that progressivism has evolved.

Why have all of the socialist of the past now call themselves progressives today ?
Pretty simple, it's the only way anyone would listen to them and the only way they could get elected to public office with a (D) after their names.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Racism is nothing new to Aridzonza.
I hate that ****ing state.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Racism is nothing new to Aridzonza.
I hate that ****ing state.
Hey man not that I don't agree with you but there are a few good cities here. Unfortunately, the cesspool that is the PHX metro area taints us all.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

You should know all about that tacit being someone who hides behind the title of Conservative. ;)
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Hey man not that I don't agree with you but there are a few good cities here. Unfortunately, the cesspool that is the PHX metro area taints us all.
I'm sure there were some fair-minded wonderful human beings living in Hitler's Germany as well. But I would still hate the "state" he ran.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

I'm sure there were some fair-minded wonderful human beings living in Hitler's Germany as well. But I would still hate the "state" he ran.

Woah woah woah

Settle down there sparky.
I agree with you that most of Arizona' politics are absolute trash but to compare Az to Nazi Germany is uncalled for. The biggest reason being there is currently no genocide taking place in my state. Further those of us who don't agree with the state of things here are not just "going with it". We try our best to change things and in many cities like Flagstaff Tucson Bisbee things are pretty good. I might add Sedona but well they are a whole different kinda of crazy there.
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Godwin's Law. That was quick.

Oh, and the back and forth between identifying as "progressive" and "conservative"? Am I in 6th grade again?

The fact is that they're just labels. Attack policies and arguments, not people.



Now about them commies. Those ****ing *** ****** ********* cactus **** ******* son of a **** ****** hippy ******* ****** and a bucket of ************
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Godwin's Law. That was quick.

Oh, and the back and forth between identifying as "progressive" and "conservative"? Am I in 6th grade again?

The fact is that they're just labels. Attack policies and arguments, not people.



Now about them commies. Those ****ing *** ****** ********* cactus **** ******* son of a **** ****** hippy ******* ****** and a bucket of ************
I will not abide the Godwin-ing <----- Is that a thing?

And in my defense for the admittedly juvenile labels argument I had just been Godwin-ed there as well
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

Glenn? Is that you? Come on buddy, no need to hide.
But seriously, this is just absurd. You might possibly be able to call Lenin/Stalin a conservative progressive (or torry as it is know across the pond) but even then it would still be a supremely extremist version of progressive nationalism. Which is in no way the same as a modern American progressive. This precisely the reason that the ignorant (read uninformed) should not discuss complex political topics. You simply do not understand what modern progressivism is.

You are right, at the turn of the century, many Americans who identified as "progressive" believed in what they colloquially called "scientific racism" but by the same token, so did the vast majority of conservatives. The difference is that in the last 100 years one of those groups has completely changed their view on the matter.

But heck with it, go ahead and keep thinking that the term "progressive" is some sort of insult. To quote the Greatest American Novel ever written and the paragon of honor who resides within:
“It’s never an insult to be called what somebody thinks is a bad name. It just shows you how poor that person is, it doesn't hurt you.”



Let me try to phrase this in a way you might understand:

Sarah Palin WILL do to science what you are terrified Barrack Obama might do to your guns.

My comprehension is pretty good. Sarah Palin in office wouldn't do much to impact any scientific endeavor. I would much rather live with someone who believes in limited government, increased liberty, moderate taxation and personal responsibility than a statist who actively pursues junk science. Obama doesn't understand capitalism and markets as he's proved by trying to force technologies into the market which weren't ready for market. That's why we lost a half billion dollars with Solyndra. That's why we are pouring money into the production of electric cars instead of funding research into electric transportation which is affordable and sustainable. That's why we are shutting down coal plants and granting permits to wind farms in their place. Finally, that's why all Obama's campaign donors have to do to attach themselves to the teat of the Federal treasury is tell the administration they want to build the next new factory for batteries, solar panels or wind mills. Business plans and financial sustainability be damned.
 
Racists Go Wild Outside Obama Speech in Arizona

Most here saw the Tea Party a**holes for what they were long ago. Well, they showed up without their Klan hoods to show themselves to the world at President Obama's speech in Arizona:


Obama foes at one point sang, "Bye Bye Black Sheep," a derogatory reference to the president's skin color, while protesters like Deanne Bartram raised a sign saying, "Impeach the Half-White Muslim!"
Many on both sides wore red, white and blue and carried small flags.

“He needs to go back to where he came from because obviously, he is a liar,” she said. “I am not racist. I am part Indian. Obama’s half Black, half White.”

“He’s 47 percent Negro,” shouted Ron Enderle, a 77-year-old Chandler resident who said that he and his son served as Marines and his grandson is currently serving in the Marines.


“We have gone back so many years,” she said. “He’s divided all the races. I hate him for that.”

This is today's Republicans. Bunch of f**king ignorant bigots. Bathing in Stupid is no way to go, people.


One bright spot was that Obama supporters outnumbered the Obama critics nearest the motorcade when the President past.
 
Re: Racists Go Wild Outside Obama Speech in Arizona

Most here saw the Tea Party a**holes for what they were long ago. Well, they showed up without their Klan hoods to show themselves to the world at President Obama's speech in Arizona:


Obama foes at one point sang, "Bye Bye Black Sheep," a derogatory reference to the president's skin color, while protesters like Deanne Bartram raised a sign saying, "Impeach the Half-White Muslim!"
Many on both sides wore red, white and blue and carried small flags.

“He needs to go back to where he came from because obviously, he is a liar,” she said. “I am not racist. I am part Indian. Obama’s half Black, half White.”

“He’s 47 percent Negro,” shouted Ron Enderle, a 77-year-old Chandler resident who said that he and his son served as Marines and his grandson is currently serving in the Marines.


“We have gone back so many years,” she said. “He’s divided all the races. I hate him for that.”

This is today's Republicans. Bunch of f**king ignorant bigots. Bathing in Stupid is no way to go, people.


One bright spot was that Obama supporters outnumbered the Obama critics nearest the motorcade when the President past.

Nice "breaking news- MSM" link supplied here, Skippy.
 
Re: Racists Go Wild Outside Obama Speech in Arizona

Not everyone in the Tea Party is a racist and not everyone who opposes Obama is a member of the Tea Party and those who oppose Obama are not racists by default. Stereotype much? :nails
 
Re: Racists Go Wild Outside Obama Speech in Arizona

Most here saw the Tea Party a**holes for what they were long ago. Well, they showed up without their Klan hoods to show themselves to the world at President Obama's speech in Arizona:


Obama foes at one point sang, "Bye Bye Black Sheep," a derogatory reference to the president's skin color, while protesters like Deanne Bartram raised a sign saying, "Impeach the Half-White Muslim!"
Many on both sides wore red, white and blue and carried small flags.

“He needs to go back to where he came from because obviously, he is a liar,” she said. “I am not racist. I am part Indian. Obama’s half Black, half White.”

“He’s 47 percent Negro,” shouted Ron Enderle, a 77-year-old Chandler resident who said that he and his son served as Marines and his grandson is currently serving in the Marines.


“We have gone back so many years,” she said. “He’s divided all the races. I hate him for that.”

This is today's Republicans. Bunch of f**king ignorant bigots. Bathing in Stupid is no way to go, people.


One bright spot was that Obama supporters outnumbered the Obama critics nearest the motorcade when the President past.

Things are not always what they seem.
 
Re: Racists Go Wild Outside Obama Speech in Arizona

Most here saw the Tea Party a**holes for what they were long ago. Well, they showed up without their Klan hoods to show themselves to the world at President Obama's speech in Arizona:


Obama foes at one point sang, "Bye Bye Black Sheep," a derogatory reference to the president's skin color, while protesters like Deanne Bartram raised a sign saying, "Impeach the Half-White Muslim!"
Many on both sides wore red, white and blue and carried small flags.

“He needs to go back to where he came from because obviously, he is a liar,” she said. “I am not racist. I am part Indian. Obama’s half Black, half White.”

“He’s 47 percent Negro,” shouted Ron Enderle, a 77-year-old Chandler resident who said that he and his son served as Marines and his grandson is currently serving in the Marines.


“We have gone back so many years,” she said. “He’s divided all the races. I hate him for that.”

This is today's Republicans. Bunch of f**king ignorant bigots. Bathing in Stupid is no way to go, people.


One bright spot was that Obama supporters outnumbered the Obama critics nearest the motorcade when the President past.

Reading your posting and its language, I can only conclude you are indeed an expert on bigotry.
 
Re: Racists Go Wild Outside Obama Speech in Arizona

Nice "breaking news- MSM" link supplied here, Skippy.

Well sure, the OP's hate for conservatives is important breaking news. How could you doubt that?
 
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Not to mention the end run around the word censor. ;)

I got in trouble for that myself, some years back, here at Debate Politics. I thought I was doing a service by self-editing but was quickly informed that bypassing the word censor was a violation and was told to cease and desist. I was instructed to type what ever I wanted to type and let the word filter do it's job. If it got through, fine. If not, I was still safe from demerit.

So, in short, as I understand it, if you want to type the word "****" type the word "****." If it gets censored, tough noogies. If it doesn't, we can't get in trouble because the filter let it through and we did not attempt to bypass the filter.

Following those moderator instructions, I haven't been in trouble since for this type infraction.
 
Re: Racists Go Wild Outside Obama Speech in Arizona

Well sure, the OP's hate for conservatives is important breaking news. How could you doubt that?

Yep. It is hard to argue with those (missing?) facts. ;)
 
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