Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ [W:161]

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Sykes said:

You okay with that Black Sheep bit? How about the half-white Muslim bit, that okay with you?

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Don't know about the black sheep bit...never heard the song so..:shrug:. As for the "half-white"....so its racist to call him half white when the facts are that he actually IS half white? And weren't people saying not to long ago that racists only referred to Obama as black? Now that he's also being called white it is still racist? Can't win for losing huh? And as far as the muslim bit..muslim isn't a race, its a religion. :shrug:

BTW, I haven't read the article, have no bones for or against as I believe in freedom of speech...whether people find that speech distasteful or not. I'm just pointing out hypocritical stance.

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In a century or two, there will be very little to tell the races apart. We are just in the transition period now.

dirtpoorchris said:

To me it feels like racism is destroyed more every year. Comedy is fine tuned more around it to make it less absurd and have less shock factor. People dont seem racist to me. I have seen true racism in my life probably less than how high I can count on 1 hands worth of fingers. The huge chunk of people believing in racism are people who get confused by word smiths or selection by the news and probably never even see it themselves in america. AKA boogey man racism. You cant just pick the small extremes, point to it and go, "This is society".

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Fisher said:

If that be the case, then I suspect you had no real pride in the citizenry to begin with.

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I'll bite. Exactly what does that mean?

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Black sheep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Isn't the song "Baa Baa Black Sheep?" I've never heard of "Bye Bye Black Sheep."

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It's so much fun to watch the non-racists rush to make excuses for racism.

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Republic Now! said:

Isn't the song "Baa Baa Black Sheep?" I've never heard of "Bye Bye Black Sheep."

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It's "Baa Baa Black Sheep."

That's the one back in the old days all children sang in nursery school and elementary school.

From what I'm reading on all of the liberal websites, I guess it's not politically correct so I doubt children sing it any longer.

The libs will probably want the syndication of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" to be pulled from television. Baa Baa Black Sheep (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I'm still extremely confused what's wrong with being half white or half black ? Maybe a liberal will enlighten me.

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rocket88 said:

It's so much fun to watch the non-racists rush to make excuses for racism.

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Rocket88, what's the definition of a racist ?

Whatever happened to calling people prejudice ? You don't hear it being used as much any more.

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APACHERAT said:

The libs will probably want the syndication of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" to be pulled from television. Baa Baa Black Sheep (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]

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... I find it funny that you didn't even read the link. The link you posted actually states that the syndication of the show CHANGED the name of the show. However, I'm sure you didn't stop to read that bit in your ridiculous attempt to pull up some obscure TV show from the 1970s that nobody watched and drag it into a conversation that had nothing to do with it.

The IRONY of your link is just astounding.

Here is the first line of that link:

Baa Baa Black Sheep (later syndicated as Black Sheep Squadron) is a television series that aired on NBC from 1976 until 1978.

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So in essence, you pulled up an obscure TV show, that had an equally offensive name - as an example of a show libs would want to cancel, not knowing that the name of the show had been changed while syndicated - because you know - the name just might be offensive.

Talk about a fail.

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I'm just wondering if it was the protestors who changed the lyrics (in which case, the song doesn't really make sense) or if the newspaper doesn't even know the title of a common nursery rhyme.

Were they chanting "bye bye black sheep" or were they singing "baa baa black sheep?" There is a significant difference.

In case anyone is wondering what the possible relevance could be, they may want to review the lyrics of the rhyme and consider how they could possibly be relevant.

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Hatuey said:

... I find it funny that you didn't even read the link. The link you posted actually states that the syndication of the show CHANGED the name of the show. However, I'm sure you didn't stop to read that bit in your ridiculous attempt to pull up some obscure TV show from the 1970s that nobody watched and drag it into a conversation that had nothing to do with it.

The IRONY of your link is just astounding.

Here is the first line of that link:



So in essence, you pulled up an obscure TV show, that had an equally offensive name - as an example of a show libs would want to cancel, not knowing that the name of the show had been changed while syndicated - because you know - the name just might be offensive.

Talk about a fail.

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I failed ???

I'll admit I didn't go to the link because I read the book and have personally known Gregory Boyington through my father.

The reason it was syndicated under "Black Sheep Squadron" is because VMF-314 is Black Sheep squadron.
Today it's VMFA-314 because they fly the FA-18. (fighter-attack)

The original television series "Baa Baa Black Sheep" is from Col. Gregory (Pappy) Boyington's USMCR ret. RIP own autobiography which was titled "Baa Baa Black Sheep." In the book he describes how the VMF-314 ended up with the name Black Sheep. It had to do because Gregory Boyington was a black sheep with in the Marine Corps and when they formed VMF-314 they scrounged through the Corps picking up the other Marine pilots that no other squadron wanted.

Boyington was a strapper and he loved to fisticuff. He was also an alcoholic and chased the skirts. He was awarded the CMO and eventually not even the Corps could handle him and was forced to retire.

ACCOMPLISHMENT RECORD OF THE "BLACK SHEEP" SQUADRON UNDER MAJOR GREGORY BOYINGTON, USMCR.
Two tours : 12 September, 1943 -- 24 October, 1943.
27 November, 1943 -- 8 January, 1944.
94 Enemy planes destroyed in aerial combat, (92 if them fighter planes, 91 of them over enemy territory).
32 Enemy planes probably destroyed in aerial combat.
50 Enemy planes damaged in aerial combat.
21 Enemy planes destroyed on the ground.
197 Total Enemy planes destroyed, probably destroyed or damaged.
1 100-foot AK destroyed.
1 50-foot AK destroyed.
1 70-foot Japanese-operated Chinese Junk destroyed.
1 70-foot steam launch destroyed.
20 Japanese barges destroyed.
3 Japanese barges loaded with troops destroyed.
1 Raft loaded with enemy troops destroyed.
15 other craft probably destroyed.
125 Japanese bivouac and concentration areas and AA positions on New Ireland, New Britain, Buka, Bougainville and the Shortlands strafed.
4 Japanese airfields strafed : Kahili, Kara, Ballale, and Borpop.
Successfully intercepted enemy formation attempting to attack task force reinforcing Barakoma.
Assisted Bougainville ground troops in an untenable position by strafing enemy mortar positions.

Participated in over 200 combat missions, flying 4,195 combat hours.


This combat record was established with the loss of 12 pilots missing in action and 6 wounded in action.

Only 1 pilot was injured and none killed in operational accidents.

HyperWar: THE COMBAT STRATEGY AND TACTICS OF MAJOR GREGORY BOYINGTON, USMCR

I have no idea what the big fuss is over being called a black sheep. Maybe some liberal will enlighten me.

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APACHERAT said:

It's "Baa Baa Black Sheep."

That's the one back in the old days all children sang in nursery school and elementary school.

From what I'm reading on all of the liberal websites, I guess it's not politically correct so I doubt children sing it any longer.

The libs will probably want the syndication of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" to be pulled from television. Baa Baa Black Sheep (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I'm still extremely confused what's wrong with being half white or half black ? Maybe a liberal will enlighten me.

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I thought he was half white, quarter arab, quarter black.

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APACHERAT said:

I failed ???

I'll admit I didn't go to the link because I read the book and have personally known Gregory Boyington through my father.

The reason it was syndicated under "Black Sheep Squadron" is because VMF-314 is Black Sheep squadron.
Today it's VMFA-314 because they fly the FA-18. (fighter-attack)

The original television series "Baa Baa Black Sheep" is from Col. Gregory (Pappy) Boyington's USMCR ret. RIP own autobiography which was titled "Baa Baa Black Sheep." In the book he describes how the VMF-314 ended up with the name Black Sheep. It had to do because Gregory Boyington was a black sheep with in the Marine Corps and when they formed VMF-314 they scrounged through the Corps picking up the other Marine pilots that no other squadron wanted.

Boyington was a strapper and he loved to fisticuff. He was also an alcoholic and chased the skirts. He was awarded the CMO and eventually not even the Corps could handle him and was forced to retire.

ACCOMPLISHMENT RECORD OF THE "BLACK SHEEP" SQUADRON UNDER MAJOR GREGORY BOYINGTON, USMCR.
Two tours : 12 September, 1943 -- 24 October, 1943.
27 November, 1943 -- 8 January, 1944.
94 Enemy planes destroyed in aerial combat, (92 if them fighter planes, 91 of them over enemy territory).
32 Enemy planes probably destroyed in aerial combat.
50 Enemy planes damaged in aerial combat.
21 Enemy planes destroyed on the ground.
197 Total Enemy planes destroyed, probably destroyed or damaged.
1 100-foot AK destroyed.
1 50-foot AK destroyed.
1 70-foot Japanese-operated Chinese Junk destroyed.
1 70-foot steam launch destroyed.
20 Japanese barges destroyed.
3 Japanese barges loaded with troops destroyed.
1 Raft loaded with enemy troops destroyed.
15 other craft probably destroyed.
125 Japanese bivouac and concentration areas and AA positions on New Ireland, New Britain, Buka, Bougainville and the Shortlands strafed.
4 Japanese airfields strafed : Kahili, Kara, Ballale, and Borpop.
Successfully intercepted enemy formation attempting to attack task force reinforcing Barakoma.
Assisted Bougainville ground troops in an untenable position by strafing enemy mortar positions.

Participated in over 200 combat missions, flying 4,195 combat hours.


This combat record was established with the loss of 12 pilots missing in action and 6 wounded in action.

Only 1 pilot was injured and none killed in operational accidents.

HyperWar: THE COMBAT STRATEGY AND TACTICS OF MAJOR GREGORY BOYINGTON, USMCR

I have no idea what the big fuss is over being called a black sheep. Maybe some liberal will enlighten me.

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Oh good lord. If you are going to claim to personally know a historical figure, at least do a tiny bit of research and not just base your claims on a TV show that Boyington himself called fiction. Unlike the TV show, the squadron got its name because they wanted something tough sounding. The name Boyington's Bastards was rejected because newspapers would not print it, and Black Sheep means basically the same thing(or so they reasoned). In fact, unlike the TV series, they where not discipline problems and rejects.

It is sad in that the real life exploits of the squadron where truly remarkable, and Boyington bringing them together into a solid unit in little time and initially no aircraft is a feat that deserves recognition. There is no need to exaggerate, and yet you had to do so.

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APACHERAT said:

Well America hasn't been this much divided since pre Civil War 1800's.

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Just to clarify:

You honestly think that this country is more divided at this moment than it was DURING the Civil War?

I don't think that is what you meant but I suppose that just goes to show that the folks in your camp really do not listen to themselves.

Returning to topic, as an Arizona resident I can tell you from experience that racism and division are the status quo of local politics

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APACHERAT said:

I suppose it all depends which paper your reading or what website your reading from. It seems most are taking words out of context.
That the protester were protesting how America has become so divided during the Obama administration. Sounds pretty legit and accurate. How many tens of millions of Americans who may have opposed one of Obama's policies and haven't been labled by the left as being racist ?

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She's not talking about his policies. She's standing there chanting "bye bye black sheep" and calling Obama a half white muslim and then blaming him for the racial divide.

A few years ago the SPLC labled anyone who opposed Obama Care as being racist.

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Gee, I wonder why?

Couldn't find any connection to the TEA Party movement with the three names mentioned.
Judy Burris on some websites claims to be some what liberal.

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Oh good, for a minute there I thought you were apologizing for the racists.

>" Obama foes at one point sang, "Bye Bye Black Sheep," a derogatory reference to the president's skin color, while protesters like Deanne Bartram raised a sign saying, "Impeach the Half-White Muslim!"

Deanna Bartram, a 17-year-old University of Arizona student from Black Canyon City, lashed out at people who call her racist for not supporting Obama. She believes Obama supporters use the “race card” against her because they disagree with her political message.

“Obama is ruining American values. He is ruining the Constitution. He needs to go back to where he came from because obviously, he is a liar,” she said. “I am not racist. I am part Indian. Obama’s half Black, half White.”

“He’s 47 percent Negro,” shouted Ron Enderle, a 77-year-old Chandler resident who said that he and his son served as Marines and his grandson is currently serving in the Marines.

Judy Burris said that she blames Obama for racism in America reaching heights not seen since the 1960s Civil-Rights Era.

“We have gone back so many years,” she said. “He’s divided all the races. I hate him for that.” "<
http://www.azcentral.com/news/polit...x-protests-outside-school.html?nclick_check=1

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The protestors seem very focused on Obama's race and not his policies.

BTW: When did "black sheep" become derogatory ? Probably since today. Those poor Marines at MCAS Miramar are going to be stuck on the base all weekend long removing the VMFA 314 squadron logo from their FA-18's and searching for a new squadron name. Pappy Boyington is probably turning over in his grave.

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It seems to have always had a negative connotation meaning "the other."

"..In the English language, black sheep is an idiom used to describe an odd or disreputable member of a group, especially within a family......The term has typically been given negative implications, implying waywardness.[1] It derived from the atypical and unwanted presence of other black individuals in flocks of white sheep....
Black sheep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Redress said:

Oh good lord. If you are going to claim to personally know a historical figure, at least do a tiny bit of research and not just base your claims on a TV show that Boyington himself called fiction. Unlike the TV show, the squadron got its name because they wanted something tough sounding. The name Boyington's Bastards was rejected because newspapers would not print it, and Black Sheep means basically the same thing(or so they reasoned). In fact, unlike the TV series, they where not discipline problems and rejects.

It is sad in that the real life exploits of the squadron where truly remarkable, and Boyington bringing them together into a solid unit in little time and initially no aircraft is a feat that deserves recognition. There is no need to exaggerate, and yet you had to do so.

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Read Boyington's autobiography, it's all there.

The pilots were picked up from replacement squadrons who weren't being picked up by other squadrons.

Nobody but you has referred to the pilots of VMF-214 as being a discipline problem or rejects, you probably picked that up from watching the TV series.


Probably the best Boyington sea story I remember took place around the late 1930's when he was stationed at North Island NAS and got stuck with the duty across the bay at MCRD for some enlisted Marine dance. He got so ####faced instead of taking a taxi to the ferry building to take the ferry over to Coronado he decided to swim across the bay to North Island. This was like around midnight. He took his shoes off, hung them over his neck and while in uniform started swimming. Eventualy he made it to shore, climbed up and found he was back at MCRD, he swam in a circle.

Now Boyington is another topic when it came being a discipline problem. Read his autobiography. He got into a lot of fights and was a heavy drinker. Boyington claims he would take off on a combat mission with a bottle of scotch and would crack the canopy while smoking a cigaret.

Boyington was a muscular husky fellow. He still was when my father introduced me to him around 1958. Like I said he loved to fight. The last time I saw Boyington he was with his daughter, good looking tall blond. This was probably during the early or mid 80's, he had cancer by then and was about half his weight.

I do have to stand corrected, I mentioned that the Black Sheep squadron was VMF-314 it was actually VMF-214.

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ZapFinch42 said:

Just to clarify:

You honestly think that this country is more divided at this moment than it was DURING the Civil War?

I don't think that is what you meant but I suppose that just goes to show that the folks in your camp really do not listen to themselves.

Returning to topic, as an Arizona resident I can tell you from experience that racism and division are the status quo of local politics

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I never said "more" divided or did I say "during the Civil War" I said we are just a divided as we were pre-civil war.

>"A new survey shows that Barack Obama is the most polarizing president in the last 60 years. As divisive as he is, the current occupant of the White House has simply exacerbated a trend towards disunity that has been developing for years.

A report released by Gallup on Friday shows that the partisan divide over Mr. Obama continued a record-setting pace for the third year straight. In 2011, the gap between his approval ratings by party was 68 percent, the highest for any third-year president on record. Even the liberal Washington Post headlined its report on the Gallup survey as, “Obama: The most polarizing president. Ever.”..."<

Read more: EDITORIAL: Obama's divided America - Washington Times



Obama divides Americans by race, ethnicity, religion


Barack Obama repeatedly has said he wants to have Americans work together, share the burden, “spread the wealth” and have everyone play by the same rules.

But that apparently comes only after Americans are divided up, categorized and separated by race, ethnicity, even religion.


The evidence comes from Obama himself, even though he once said, ” I have asserted a firm conviction – a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people – that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice if we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.”

But his campaign divides people into the following categories: African-Americans, Asian Americans & Pacific Islanders, Jewish Americans, Latinos, LGBT Americans, people of faith, veterans & military families, women and young Americans.

“In visiting Obama’s website, visitors there will find a disturbing drop down menu titled ‘Groups’ ..."< continue-> Obama divides Americans by race, ethnicity, religion

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What you said word for word was: Well America hasn't been this much divided since pre Civil War 1800's.

This would literally mean Americans have not been this divided since BEFORE the Civil War which would identically imply that during the war itself people liked/agreed with each other more than they do now. That is an absolutely absurd statement.

As I admitted in the previous post this IS NOT what you meant, I know that but it proves that the OP hit the nail on the head when he asked if people in your camp listen to what they are saying.

Perhaps if you had said "Well America hasn't been this much divided since the Civil War." Though that too is extremely debatable; The 60's would like a word with you.

This is all predicated on "divided" meaning a dislike/disagreement between socioeconomic groups.
If however you meant that the walls of our disparate socioeconomic groups are "higher" ie more distinct than ever well then you are just flat out wrong.

Also remember that Obama being "polarizing" does not mean that he is divisive in all aspects of society. Obama doesn't make more people argue about abortion or guns or religion, the disagreements have always been as vociferous as they are now. What the Gallup poll is saying is that the political divide between people who self identify as democrat and people who self identify as republican is more distinct than ever what the poll doesn't really take in to account is that fewer and fewer people are choosing to identify that way.

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opendebate said:

I'll bite. Exactly what does that mean?

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If you opinion of Americans as a whole is so malleable that a handful of people doing something stupid that you do not approve of makes you ashamed of the citizenry as a whole, then I don't consider your opinions of the citizenry as a whole to be well-grounded. Should I judge America as a whole based on Melissa- Harris-Perry wearing tampon earrings because I think it was an embarrassing moment for television journalism?

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Fisher said:

If you opinion of Americans as a whole is so malleable that a handful of people doing something stupid that you do not approve of makes you ashamed of the citizenry as a whole, then I don't consider your opinions of the citizenry as a whole to be well-grounded. Should I judge America as a whole based on Melissa- Harris-Perry wearing tampon earrings because I think it was an embarrassing moment for television journalism?

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First of all that comparison is illogical. Secondly, I was clearly overstating to make a point.

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Sykes said:

You okay with that Black Sheep bit? How about the half-white Muslim bit, that okay with you?

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If the shoe fits, wear it.

I think both comments apply well to this black, muslim-loving president. The sooner he's gone the better!

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Dr. Chuckles said:

stupid people exist. What can you do?

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Oh, perhaps have a couple of Conservative talk-show hosts, point out that,
while people have the freedom and the right to say stupid things, the statements are
none the less stupid things.

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Texmex said:

If the shoe fits, wear it.

I think both comments apply well to this black, muslim-loving president. The sooner he's gone the better!

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He shows his love by bombing arabs with uavs every day? *scratches head*

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Moot said:

It only takes one disgruntled Marine...

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If a president cant trust their soldiers to be armed they have no business being president. Side note I doubt seriously that either president knows that the Marines were disarmed, I think that is the Secret Service being their usual paranoid selves.

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Texmex said:

If the shoe fits, wear it.

I think both comments apply well to this black, muslim-loving president. The sooner he's gone the better!

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Even better than the race card - the Muslim card.