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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oh good lord. If you are going to claim to personally know a historical figure, at least do a tiny bit of research and not just base your claims on a TV show that Boyington himself called fiction. Unlike the TV show, the squadron got its name because they wanted something tough sounding. The name Boyington's Bastards was rejected because newspapers would not print it, and Black Sheep means basically the same thing(or so they reasoned). In fact, unlike the TV series, they where not discipline problems and rejects.

    It is sad in that the real life exploits of the squadron where truly remarkable, and Boyington bringing them together into a solid unit in little time and initially no aircraft is a feat that deserves recognition. There is no need to exaggerate, and yet you had to do so.
    Read Boyington's autobiography, it's all there.

    The pilots were picked up from replacement squadrons who weren't being picked up by other squadrons.

    Nobody but you has referred to the pilots of VMF-214 as being a discipline problem or rejects, you probably picked that up from watching the TV series.


    Probably the best Boyington sea story I remember took place around the late 1930's when he was stationed at North Island NAS and got stuck with the duty across the bay at MCRD for some enlisted Marine dance. He got so ####faced instead of taking a taxi to the ferry building to take the ferry over to Coronado he decided to swim across the bay to North Island. This was like around midnight. He took his shoes off, hung them over his neck and while in uniform started swimming. Eventualy he made it to shore, climbed up and found he was back at MCRD, he swam in a circle.

    Now Boyington is another topic when it came being a discipline problem. Read his autobiography. He got into a lot of fights and was a heavy drinker. Boyington claims he would take off on a combat mission with a bottle of scotch and would crack the canopy while smoking a cigaret.

    Boyington was a muscular husky fellow. He still was when my father introduced me to him around 1958. Like I said he loved to fight. The last time I saw Boyington he was with his daughter, good looking tall blond. This was probably during the early or mid 80's, he had cancer by then and was about half his weight.

    I do have to stand corrected, I mentioned that the Black Sheep squadron was VMF-314 it was actually VMF-214.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by ZapFinch42 View Post
    Just to clarify:

    You honestly think that this country is more divided at this moment than it was DURING the Civil War?

    I don't think that is what you meant but I suppose that just goes to show that the folks in your camp really do not listen to themselves.

    Returning to topic, as an Arizona resident I can tell you from experience that racism and division are the status quo of local politics
    I never said "more" divided or did I say "during the Civil War" I said we are just a divided as we were pre-civil war.

    >"A new survey shows that Barack Obama is the most polarizing president in the last 60 years. As divisive as he is, the current occupant of the White House has simply exacerbated a trend towards disunity that has been developing for years.

    A report released by Gallup on Friday shows that the partisan divide over Mr. Obama continued a record-setting pace for the third year straight. In 2011, the gap between his approval ratings by party was 68 percent, the highest for any third-year president on record. Even the liberal Washington Post headlined its report on the Gallup survey as, “Obama: The most polarizing president. Ever.”..."<

    Read more: EDITORIAL: Obama&#39;s divided America - Washington Times



    Obama divides Americans by race, ethnicity, religion


    Barack Obama repeatedly has said he wants to have Americans work together, share the burden, “spread the wealth” and have everyone play by the same rules.

    But that apparently comes only after Americans are divided up, categorized and separated by race, ethnicity, even religion.


    The evidence comes from Obama himself, even though he once said, ” I have asserted a firm conviction – a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people – that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice if we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.”

    But his campaign divides people into the following categories: African-Americans, Asian Americans & Pacific Islanders, Jewish Americans, Latinos, LGBT Americans, people of faith, veterans & military families, women and young Americans.

    “In visiting Obama’s website, visitors there will find a disturbing drop down menu titled ‘Groups’ ..."< continue-> Obama divides Americans by race, ethnicity, religion

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    What you said word for word was: Well America hasn't been this much divided since pre Civil War 1800's.

    This would literally mean Americans have not been this divided since BEFORE the Civil War which would identically imply that during the war itself people liked/agreed with each other more than they do now. That is an absolutely absurd statement.

    As I admitted in the previous post this IS NOT what you meant, I know that but it proves that the OP hit the nail on the head when he asked if people in your camp listen to what they are saying.

    Perhaps if you had said "Well America hasn't been this much divided since the Civil War." Though that too is extremely debatable; The 60's would like a word with you.

    This is all predicated on "divided" meaning a dislike/disagreement between socioeconomic groups.
    If however you meant that the walls of our disparate socioeconomic groups are "higher" ie more distinct than ever well then you are just flat out wrong.

    Also remember that Obama being "polarizing" does not mean that he is divisive in all aspects of society. Obama doesn't make more people argue about abortion or guns or religion, the disagreements have always been as vociferous as they are now. What the Gallup poll is saying is that the political divide between people who self identify as democrat and people who self identify as republican is more distinct than ever what the poll doesn't really take in to account is that fewer and fewer people are choosing to identify that way.
    Last edited by ZapFinch42; 08-08-13 at 05:36 AM. Reason: Added a thought

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I'll bite. Exactly what does that mean?
    If you opinion of Americans as a whole is so malleable that a handful of people doing something stupid that you do not approve of makes you ashamed of the citizenry as a whole, then I don't consider your opinions of the citizenry as a whole to be well-grounded. Should I judge America as a whole based on Melissa- Harris-Perry wearing tampon earrings because I think it was an embarrassing moment for television journalism?

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    If you opinion of Americans as a whole is so malleable that a handful of people doing something stupid that you do not approve of makes you ashamed of the citizenry as a whole, then I don't consider your opinions of the citizenry as a whole to be well-grounded. Should I judge America as a whole based on Melissa- Harris-Perry wearing tampon earrings because I think it was an embarrassing moment for television journalism?
    First of all that comparison is illogical. Secondly, I was clearly overstating to make a point.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    You okay with that Black Sheep bit? How about the half-white Muslim bit, that okay with you?
    If the shoe fits, wear it.

    I think both comments apply well to this black, muslim-loving president. The sooner he's gone the better!

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    stupid people exist. What can you do?
    Oh, perhaps have a couple of Conservative talk-show hosts, point out that,
    while people have the freedom and the right to say stupid things, the statements are
    none the less stupid things.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    If the shoe fits, wear it.

    I think both comments apply well to this black, muslim-loving president. The sooner he's gone the better!
    He shows his love by bombing arabs with uavs every day? *scratches head*
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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It only takes one disgruntled Marine...
    If a president cant trust their soldiers to be armed they have no business being president. Side note I doubt seriously that either president knows that the Marines were disarmed, I think that is the Secret Service being their usual paranoid selves.
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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    If the shoe fits, wear it.

    I think both comments apply well to this black, muslim-loving president. The sooner he's gone the better!
    Even better than the race card - the Muslim card.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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