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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    So why are half of black people missing this discrimination?

    And yes, there are old white racists who are against interracial marriage. I've never denied this. My point is that they do not impact overall race relationships as much as the president.
    Why on earth would blacks miss the discrimination? Some might not feel discriminated and some might think that current laws are enough.

    Yeah, the polling figures show that more people are of the opinion that Obama has helped race relations than that there are people think think it actually has gone worse.

    And yes, even blacks polled think that Obama has made things worse. But it does not say why blacks feel that.

    I think you feeling that Obama has done more to damage race relations that the republican party, Tea Party people and birthers, than I think that might be down to your own political feeling, but I could be wrong because I do not know you in person.
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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're not! LOL!
    well, facts and voter restriction laws in republican controlled states would prove otherwise.
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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    what? requiring an ID to vote are you saying Blacks and Hispanics are not capable of getting an ID? why is that? are you being racist
    No, it is a fact. Blacks and Hispanics are less likely to have ID's and if republicans can make only 10% of the minorities not vote, they would win more elections and that is why racism comes into play.
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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by ZapFinch42 View Post
    No, actually he is statistically accurate:

    Approximately ten percent of voting-age Americans today do not have driverís licenses or state-issued non-driverís photo ID.
    In that case, they don't have jobs, or get welfare, or buy cigarettes, or buy alcohol, or a checking account, or a credit card and if all that's true, I bet they aren't registered to vote, to begin with.

    Based on Americansí moving patterns, many more do not have photo ID showing their current address. And getting ID costs substantial time and money.
    Change of address on an ID is free. You have 30 days to do it, or you're in violation.

    A would-be voter must pay substantial fees both for ID cards and the backup documents needed to get them-up to $100 for a driverís license, up to $45 for a birth certificate
    You have to have a BC to enroll in kindergarten...LOL!!! Why do you want to keep so many black kids out of school? What's wrong with you?

    $97 for a passport, and over $200 for naturalization papers.
    Not sure what this has to do with getting a driver's license.


    [/b]The voter may also have to take several hours off of work[/b] and travel significant distances to visit government offices open only during select daytime hours. Finally, many identifying documents cannot be issued immediately, so potential voters must allow for processing and shipping, which may take from several weeks to an entire year.

    The impact of ID requirements is even greater for the elderly, students, people with disabilities, low-income individuals, and people of color. Thirty-six percent of Georgians over 75 do not have a driverís license. Fewer than 3 percent of Wisconsin students have driverís licenses listing their current address. The same study found that African Americans have driverís licenses at half the rate of whites, and the disparity increases among younger voters; only 22% of black men aged 18-24 had a valid driverís license. Not only are minority voters less likely to possess photo ID, but they are also more likely than white voters to be selectively asked for ID at the polls. For example, in New York City, which has no ID requirement, a study showed that poll workers illegally asked one in six Asian Americans for ID at the polls, while white voters were permitted to vote without showing ID.

    *These statistics were compiled by NYU*

    And just to highlight the issues everyone of those groups except the elderly poll overwhelmingly for Democrats
    The fact of the matter is study after study shows this to be the case. Illegal immigrants by and large do not try to vote anyways so the only people effected by these voter ID measures are people who should be allowed to vote.

    oh and preemptively:

    Proponents often cite fraud or the potential for fraud to justify new ID requirements. There is no question that election misconduct exists, including improper purges of eligible voters, distributing false information about when and where to vote, stuffing of ballot boxes, and tampering with registration forms. But there is no evidence that the type of fraud addressed by stricter voter ID - individual voters who misrepresent their identities at the polls - is anything but an anomaly. In Ohio, a statewide survey found four instances of ineligible persons voting or attempting to vote in 2002 and 20042C out of 9,078,728 votes cast - a rate of 0.00004%. Despite the invocation of fraud as support for the new Georgia law, Georgia Secretary of State Cathy Cox has stated that she could not recall one documented case of voter fraud relating to the impersonation of a registered voter at the polls during her ten-year tenure as an election official. Nationwide, since October 2002, 86 individuals have been convicted of federal crimes relating to election fraud (including several offenses not remedied by ID requirements), while 196,139,871 ballots have been cast in federal general elections. Statistically, Americans are more likely to be killed by a bolt of lightning.
    They had to have an ID to get the job. Can you possibly imagine how silly you sound?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, it is a fact. Blacks and Hispanics are less likely to have ID's and if republicans can make only 10% of the minorities not vote, they would win more elections and that is why racism comes into play.
    Blacks are less likely to be registered to vote. Whatcha wanna bet the voter registration numbers and the ID numbers are running neck and neck?

    IOW, no one is being disenfranchised.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    well, facts and voter restriction laws in republican controlled states would prove otherwise.
    I'm black. I have an ID. No one has tried to stop me from voting and I live in a mostly white precinct.

    I don't know of a single voter restriction law in Louisiana that would prevent me from voting, because of my race, so you better get to googlin', because I'm calling buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuull****.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by ZapFinch42 View Post
    No, actually he is statistically accurate:

    Approximately ten percent of voting-age Americans today do not have driver’s licenses or state-issued non-driver’s photo ID. Based on Americans’ moving patterns, many more do not have photo ID showing their current address. And getting ID costs substantial time and money. A would-be voter must pay substantial fees both for ID cards and the backup documents needed to get them-up to $100 for a driver’s license, up to $45 for a birth certificate, $97 for a passport, and over $200 for naturalization papers. The voter may also have to take several hours off of work and travel significant distances to visit government offices open only during select daytime hours. Finally, many identifying documents cannot be issued immediately, so potential voters must allow for processing and shipping, which may take from several weeks to an entire year.

    The impact of ID requirements is even greater for the elderly, students, people with disabilities, low-income individuals, and people of color. Thirty-six percent of Georgians over 75 do not have a driver’s license. Fewer than 3 percent of Wisconsin students have driver’s licenses listing their current address. The same study found that African Americans have driver’s licenses at half the rate of whites, and the disparity increases among younger voters; only 22% of black men aged 18-24 had a valid driver’s license. Not only are minority voters less likely to possess photo ID, but they are also more likely than white voters to be selectively asked for ID at the polls. For example, in New York City, which has no ID requirement, a study showed that poll workers illegally asked one in six Asian Americans for ID at the polls, while white voters were permitted to vote without showing ID.

    *These statistics were compiled by NYU*

    And just to highlight the issues everyone of those groups except the elderly poll overwhelmingly for Democrats
    The fact of the matter is study after study shows this to be the case. Illegal immigrants by and large do not try to vote anyways so the only people effected by these voter ID measures are people who should be allowed to vote.
    a state issued ID in the state i live cost 5 dollars and all that is required is proof of residence and citizenship the same requirement to get most jobs

    when we past our voter ID law the governor for 2 weeks offered a free ride to the DMV and a free ID. do you know how many took her up on that offer state wide? 7

    when GA passed their voter ID law they had a bigger black voter turn out after the law passed then the year before

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ [W:161]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Man! You just can't let me down. Can you? LMAO!!!

    You're just yankin' my chain, huh? You don't really believe all that crap.
    No, I am not yankin' your chain. I am very serious.

    Texas will "immediately" enact a voter ID law that a panel of federal judges ruled last year would impose “strict, unforgiving burdens on the poor
    Harsh Texas Voter ID Law 'Immediately' Takes Effect After Voting Rights Act Ruling

    Possibly racist and totally meant to make sure that the Republicans will keep Texas a red state when the Hispanic population gets big enough to possibly turn the state Blue.
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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In that case, they don't have jobs, or get welfare, or buy cigarettes, or buy alcohol, or a checking account, or a credit card and if all that's true, I bet they aren't registered to vote, to begin with.



    Change of address on an ID is free. You have 30 days to do it, or you're in violation.



    You have to have a BC to enroll in kindergarten...LOL!!! Why do you want to keep so many black kids out of school? What's wrong with you?



    Not sure what this has to do with getting a driver's license.




    They had to have an ID to get the job. Can you possibly imagine how silly you sound?
    Way to completely ignore literally every important part of those stats. Did you miss the last part?

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Why on earth would blacks miss the discrimination? Some might not feel discriminated and some might think that current laws are enough.

    Yeah, the polling figures show that more people are of the opinion that Obama has helped race relations than that there are people think think it actually has gone worse.

    And yes, even blacks polled think that Obama has made things worse. But it does not say why blacks feel that.

    I think you feeling that Obama has done more to damage race relations that the republican party, Tea Party people and birthers, than I think that might be down to your own political feeling, but I could be wrong because I do not know you in person.
    They're left wing pollsters. What do you expect?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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