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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Thanks! I wonder what HoJ will think of it, after all it's better than his photo.
    Psst: I generally don't pay attention to avatars. Your posts are ignorant enough in themselves to entertain without visual aids.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    An improvement over what? A can of spam?

    I'm not Obama's biggest fan, but when I think of people who would make worse Presidents, she's right at the top of my list with Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich. A lot of Conservatives feel the same way.
    Palin was the victim of a pretty vicious media campaign and she is associated with lots of quotes she never said. She had experience as a small business woman, rose to Mayor of Wasilla and then became a popular governor who did a good job by most accounts in Alaska. She negotiated oil pipeline deals, fishing rights with Russia and fought corruption in the Alaska republican party as an Alaskan republican governor. She may not have been an ideal campaigner as a vice president candidate but comparing her to a can of spam is unnecessarily disrespectful and a little ignorant.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I think progressivism is a pretty well known and well defined concept. So I don't feel the need to engage your odd rhetoric.
    Why not ?

    If it's well known, what are you scared of ?

    The "progressive" attitude where you have a self-appointed elite of sophisticates who claim to have "scientific" methods for making decisions that will change the lives of millions, always unpredictable and mostly in negative ways.

    What was the most sucessfull accomplishment of Progressives in America, prohibition, the Dillingham Commission, the ideology that some races and ethnicities are superior to others, American nationalism ?

    Who are those progressives that today progressive always like to point out, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodward Wilson, William P. Dillingham and what did they all have in common ?

    Lenin, Stalin borrowed from progressivism, Hitler heavily borrowed from progressivism, but all three had the cajones not to hide behind the label of progressivism.

    Are todays progressives really progressives or are they something else hiding behind the label of progressivism ?

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Read Boyington's autobiography, it's all there.

    The pilots were picked up from replacement squadrons who weren't being picked up by other squadrons.

    Nobody but you has referred to the pilots of VMF-214 as being a discipline problem or rejects, you probably picked that up from watching the TV series.


    Probably the best Boyington sea story I remember took place around the late 1930's when he was stationed at North Island NAS and got stuck with the duty across the bay at MCRD for some enlisted Marine dance. He got so ####faced instead of taking a taxi to the ferry building to take the ferry over to Coronado he decided to swim across the bay to North Island. This was like around midnight. He took his shoes off, hung them over his neck and while in uniform started swimming. Eventualy he made it to shore, climbed up and found he was back at MCRD, he swam in a circle.

    Now Boyington is another topic when it came being a discipline problem. Read his autobiography. He got into a lot of fights and was a heavy drinker. Boyington claims he would take off on a combat mission with a bottle of scotch and would crack the canopy while smoking a cigaret.

    Boyington was a muscular husky fellow. He still was when my father introduced me to him around 1958. Like I said he loved to fight. The last time I saw Boyington he was with his daughter, good looking tall blond. This was probably during the early or mid 80's, he had cancer by then and was about half his weight.

    I do have to stand corrected, I mentioned that the Black Sheep squadron was VMF-314 it was actually VMF-214.
    You still are showing no evidence you know anything about Boyington beyond the TV series. The pilots where not "not picked up by other squadrons", they where in fact assigned to the squadron and Boyington given command. Some where exceptional with great records. At the time, enough replacement pilots was an issue and squadrons happily took whoever they could get.

    Look, you can claim to have met any one. It is the internets. No one can prove you didn't. When I met Jesus, Ghandi, Julius Ceasar and Ghengas Khan, they told me some great stories too. I bete if I told you about them they would match up with real history and not the made up stuff you pander with.
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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Psst: I generally don't pay attention to avatars. Your posts are ignorant enough in themselves to entertain without visual aids.
    You must not have been paying attention when you chose your avatar.

    For a liberal, especially one like you, to think my posts are ignorant is a badge of honor.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Palin was the victim of a pretty vicious media campaign and she is associated with lots of quotes she never said. She had experience as a small business woman, rose to Mayor of Wasilla and then became a popular governor who did a good job by most accounts in Alaska. She negotiated oil pipeline deals, fishing rights with Russia and fought corruption in the Alaska republican party as an Alaskan republican governor. She may not have been an ideal campaigner as a vice president candidate but comparing her to a can of spam is unnecessarily disrespectful and a little ignorant.
    Honestly every time I ever watched Palin she kind of impressed me even though she's a little too "feel good". Only ever hear bad about her when someone else is talking for her.
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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You still are showing no evidence you know anything about Boyington beyond the TV series. The pilots where not "not picked up by other squadrons", they where in fact assigned to the squadron and Boyington given command. Some where exceptional with great records. At the time, enough replacement pilots was an issue and squadrons happily took whoever they could get.

    Look, you can claim to have met any one. It is the internets. No one can prove you didn't. When I met Jesus, Ghandi, Julius Ceasar and Ghengas Khan, they told me some great stories too. I bete if I told you about them they would match up with real history and not the made up stuff you pander with.
    If you want to discuss Boyington, start a thread under the academia or military forums. I'm sure I'll jump in and participate.
    Going from the VMF-214 Black Sheep squadron too Boyington is thread drift.

    BTW, of the four individuals you met, who were the most interesting ?

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Why not ?

    If it's well known, what are you scared of ?

    The "progressive" attitude where you have a self-appointed elite of sophisticates who claim to have "scientific" methods for making decisions that will change the lives of millions, always unpredictable and mostly in negative ways.

    What was the most sucessfull accomplishment of Progressives in America, prohibition, the Dillingham Commission, the ideology that some races and ethnicities are superior to others, American nationalism ?

    Who are those progressives that today progressive always like to point out, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodward Wilson, William P. Dillingham and what did they all have in common ?

    Lenin, Stalin borrowed from progressivism, Hitler heavily borrowed from progressivism, but all three had the cajones not to hide behind the label of progressivism.

    Are todays progressives really progressives or are they something else hiding behind the label of progressivism ?
    Glenn? Is that you? Come on buddy, no need to hide.
    But seriously, this is just absurd. You might possibly be able to call Lenin/Stalin a conservative progressive (or torry as it is know across the pond) but even then it would still be a supremely extremist version of progressive nationalism. Which is in no way the same as a modern American progressive. This precisely the reason that the ignorant (read uninformed) should not discuss complex political topics. You simply do not understand what modern progressivism is.

    You are right, at the turn of the century, many Americans who identified as "progressive" believed in what they colloquially called "scientific racism" but by the same token, so did the vast majority of conservatives. The difference is that in the last 100 years one of those groups has completely changed their view on the matter.

    But heck with it, go ahead and keep thinking that the term "progressive" is some sort of insult. To quote the Greatest American Novel ever written and the paragon of honor who resides within:
    Its never an insult to be called what somebody thinks is a bad name. It just shows you how poor that person is, it doesn't hurt you.
    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Palin was the victim of a pretty vicious media campaign and she is associated with lots of quotes she never said. She had experience as a small business woman, rose to Mayor of Wasilla and then became a popular governor who did a good job by most accounts in Alaska. She negotiated oil pipeline deals, fishing rights with Russia and fought corruption in the Alaska republican party as an Alaskan republican governor. She may not have been an ideal campaigner as a vice president candidate but comparing her to a can of spam is unnecessarily disrespectful and a little ignorant.

    Let me try to phrase this in a way you might understand:

    Sarah Palin WILL do to science what you are terrified Barrack Obama might do to your guns.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Quote Originally Posted by ZapFinch42 View Post
    Glenn? Is that you? Come on buddy, no need to hide.
    But seriously, this is just absurd. You might possibly be able to call Lenin/Stalin a conservative progressive (or torry as it is know across the pond) but even then it would still be a supremely extremist version of progressive nationalism. Which is in no way the same as a modern American progressive. This precisely the reason that the ignorant (read uninformed) should not discuss complex political topics. You simply do not understand what modern progressivism is.

    You are right, at the turn of the century, many Americans who identified as "progressive" believed in what they colloquially called "scientific racism" but by the same token, so did the vast majority of conservatives. The difference is that in the last 100 years one of those groups has completely changed their view on the matter.

    But heck with it, go ahead and keep thinking that the term "progressive" is some sort of insult. To quote the Greatest American Novel ever written and the paragon of honor who resides within:
    “It’s never an insult to be called what somebody thinks is a bad name. It just shows you how poor that person is, it doesn't hurt you.”



    Let me try to phrase this in a way you might understand:

    Sarah Palin WILL do to science what you are terrified Barrack Obama might do to your guns.
    I see, those progressives of today aren't really socialist, it's just that progressivism has evolved.

    Why have all of the socialist of the past now call themselves progressives today ?
    Pretty simple, it's the only way anyone would listen to them and the only way they could get elected to public office with a (D) after their names.

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    Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

    Racism is nothing new to Aridzonza.
    I hate that ****ing state.

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