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French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

That's the kind of attitude I have when someone paints such a large group with such a broad brush. I have an excellent attitude and work ethic. When I was working gas stations, I was the guy who swept the lot so that the discarded cigarette butts didn't make me look bad. When I delivered pizzas, I was the guy who smiled through 25 cent tips.

If your posts reflect the kind of attitude you walk around with, then you definitely suck as a supervisor. :D

My role as a supervisor is to make sure these rigs get built correctly, and on time. If my workers can't do that, I replace them. If I "suck" as a supervisor, it's because I'm not there to be nice, or buddy buddy with everybody. It's because there is **** that needs to get done, and they aren't doing their job to the best of their abilities. They get paid too much to just stand around and **** off all day, but they will if they're left unsupervised. They even complain that 17 dollars an hour isn't enough, and that they should be paid more, while they have to be told constantly to work. That's a ****ty work ethic. That's the ethic of American entitlement, and I've had to hear it since I was 15, when I got my first job. There is a very good reason why I'm a supervisor, and they're still ground level.
 
Yes, it does take ambition to follow a coyote through the desert, knowing that he will leave you to die, should you become unable to continue. However, not all Mexicans are assholes and elbows, from day light to dark. There are just as many lazy ass Mexicans as there lazy ass Americans.

Yes, but fewer of the lazy ones end up here. ;)
 
I didant to go on record here by way of saying that if Isabelle Huppert should ever wish to settle down in Oregon, I could probably find something forher todo and she could be just as lazy as she wishes.
 
My role as a supervisor is to make sure these rigs get built correctly, and on time. If my workers can't do that, I replace them. If I "suck" as a supervisor, it's because I'm not there to be nice, or buddy buddy with everybody. It's because there is **** that needs to get done, and they aren't doing their job to the best of their abilities. They get paid too much to just stand around and **** off all day, but they will if they're left unsupervised. They even complain that 17 dollars an hour isn't enough, and that they should be paid more, while they have to be told constantly to work. That's a ****ty work ethic. That's the ethic of American entitlement, and I've had to hear it since I was 15, when I got my first job. There is a very good reason why I'm a supervisor, and they're still ground level.

Yeah, like I said. :lol:
 
My role as a supervisor is to make sure these rigs get built correctly, and on time. If my workers can't do that, I replace them. If I "suck" as a supervisor, it's because I'm not there to be nice, or buddy buddy with everybody. It's because there is **** that needs to get done, and they aren't doing their job to the best of their abilities. They get paid too much to just stand around and **** off all day, but they will if they're left unsupervised. They even complain that 17 dollars an hour isn't enough, and that they should be paid more, while they have to be told constantly to work. That's a ****ty work ethic. That's the ethic of American entitlement, and I've had to hear it since I was 15, when I got my first job. There is a very good reason why I'm a supervisor, and they're still ground level.

How many hours can you work a week? ****, I might come to work for you and I promise, you won't have to keep an eye on me. Sounds like it wouldn't be too hard to make those other clowns look like assholes.
 
Yeah, like I said. :lol:

No, Sutr's right, there. If someone is hired to do a job, it's their part of the agreement to work, while their on the job. If they don't perform, they are corrected, or replaced.
 
No, Sutr's right, there. If someone is hired to do a job, it's their part of the agreement to work, while their on the job. If they don't perform, they are corrected, or replaced.

If that's all he said, then I would've agreed wholeheartedly. It's the attitude. All I did was disagree with him and point out his attitude and it's **** this and **** that.
 
If that's all he said, then I would've agreed wholeheartedly. It's the attitude. All I did was disagree with him and point out his attitude and it's **** this and **** that.

Right, "**** this and **** that", because it's time to stop crying and go to work. Anyone that can't do their job, pack your **** and go home.
 
Right, "**** this and **** that", because it's time to stop crying and go to work. Anyone that can't do their job, pack your **** and go home.

My point is that if that's how he deals with complete strangers on the Internet, then I very sincerely doubt that he's much of a supervisor to the people he has to deal with in person. I don't work for him, so he has no right whatsoever to get like that with me over a difference of opinion.
 
My point is that if that's how he deals with complete strangers on the Internet, then I very sincerely doubt that he's much of a supervisor to the people he has to deal with in person. I don't work for him, so he has no right whatsoever to get like that with me over a difference of opinion.

I think you're being a bit thin-skinned.
 
My role as a supervisor is to make sure these rigs get built correctly, and on time. If my workers can't do that, I replace them. If I "suck" as a supervisor, it's because I'm not there to be nice, or buddy buddy with everybody. It's because there is **** that needs to get done, and they aren't doing their job to the best of their abilities. They get paid too much to just stand around and **** off all day, but they will if they're left unsupervised. They even complain that 17 dollars an hour isn't enough, and that they should be paid more, while they have to be told constantly to work. That's a ****ty work ethic. That's the ethic of American entitlement, and I've had to hear it since I was 15, when I got my first job. There is a very good reason why I'm a supervisor, and they're still ground level.

It is pretty much the same at the plant I work in, except we are getting 25+ an hour.
 
Well to be fair they are lazy and arrogance is just French culture. French bureaucracy isn't slow because it is big but rather because they are lazy. Apparently your lucky if you get some guy to fix your cable within a month. Though if they were that lazy they wouldn't be one of the wealthiest countries in thew world now would they.

I think you're putting the cart before the horse. France has been a country of luxury for such a long time, perhaps it is causing the French to not take their work nearly as seriously. It remains to be seen if and how long they can continue to remain wealthy without making serious reforms to their entitlements and excessively prohibitive labor laws. But my guess would be with the rise of Asia as the dominant economic center of the world puts the standards of living of countries like France at risk, even more so if they are slow to adapt.
 
How many hours can you work a week? ****, I might come to work for you and I promise, you won't have to keep an eye on me. Sounds like it wouldn't be too hard to make those other clowns look like assholes.

Me personally? Depends. I average about 60-70 hours. They can work up to 80 hours if they absolutely have to, but that's when the big boss comes out, and nobody will be happy then.

If that's all he said, then I would've agreed wholeheartedly. It's the attitude. All I did was disagree with him and point out his attitude and it's **** this and **** that.
You must be reading an entirely different conversation. I stated my opinion about the poor condition of the American work ethic, you got butthurt and made it all about you.
 
Me personally? Depends. I average about 60-70 hours. They can work up to 80 hours if they absolutely have to, but that's when the big boss comes out, and nobody will be happy then.


You must be reading an entirely different conversation. I stated my opinion about the poor condition of the American work ethic, you got butthurt and made it all about you.

Obviously you missed this:

Okay. I think you're reading an emotional response that isn't there.

This too:

And that's the piss poor attitude I'm talking about. And you wonder why Mexicans are taking your jobs.

The conversation started out with your comments being about you and me responding to them. That right there would be where you made it about me.
 
The conversation started out with your comments being about you and me responding to them. That right there would be where you made it about me.

I saw it, and apdst was 100% correct. I said "They sound just like the American working class." clearly stating my opinion on the laziness and arrogance of today's American worker. (Which is not making anything about me in the least) You responded with:

Speak for yourself.

TED,
Working class American.

as though you represent the working class in its entirety. Then I stated that my opinion comes from being a supervisor, because work ethic is very important to me. It means the difference between success and not having a job once the contract is up. Then you said I suck as a supervisor, which perfectly embodied the crap attitude I was talking about (arrogance and laziness), and then you continued to make it about you by talking about your work ethic, then in the same post said I suck as a supervisor again. The emotional response was clearly there, and you were clearly making it all about you the entire time.
 
as though you represent the working class in its entirety.

Of course I don't, but the simplest way to make someone painting with as broad a brush as you did look foolish is to provide a reasonable counter-example.

Then I stated that my opinion comes from being a supervisor, because work ethic is very important to me. It means the difference between success and not having a job once the contract is up. Then you said I suck as a supervisor

No, actually, that's not what I said. Go back and read it again. Quote it, in fact.

which perfectly embodied the crap attitude I was talking about (arrogance and laziness)

Right, like I said, that's where you made it about me. I didn't assume anything.

and then you continued to make it about you by talking about your work ethic

Relevant to the discussion, as per the above.

then in the same post said I suck as a supervisor again

Nope. Read it again, or better yet quote it.
 
Lol at the American CEO calling out the French. I don't have any experience with the French but I doubt they are any worse than what the average American has become.

I don't think America in general are as lazy as the French but we are catching up to the French real quick.

Any nation that's too lazy to fight it's own wars overseas and has to create a legion of foreign soldiers to fight their wars has become lazy.

With Blackwater USA, it shows we are following in the same path as the French.

BTW, who cuts the lawns in France and who are the nannies raising these lazy French children ?
 
Right and a valuable employee will take ownership of his job.

Only the employee never has ownership of a job. If he did, he could do as he wished with that job as implied with everything else you own. Do you know the basic principles of ownership? Ownership means you own it. As you never own the job you are hired to do, you don't have ownership of it. This is basic economics dude.

You get fired because you didn't do your job to standard, which is your fault. So, IOW, you gave them the job back, because you didn't want it anymore.

Jajajaja what? An employer can fire you for a number of things completely unrelated to whether or not you want the job. You're simply being a contrarian and failing extremely hard at it.
 
It's both. Without one, there won't be the other. One generates the other.

And yet - without demand, there is no reason to even have supplies. So it is the demand which has made us into the greatest economy in the world. Not the people supplying that demand. Again, you're being a contrarian and failing hard at it.
 
Of course I don't, but the simplest way to make someone painting with as broad a brush as you did look foolish is to provide a reasonable counter-example.
You made yourself look foolish. Guess what? The work ethic of the working class is garbage, and needs to be addressed. Working class jobs jobs in this country are a joke, and are more like welfare than anything. I used to be working class, I know how it is. I also knew how to appreciate what I had in those days which is what allowed me to move up in the world. I was given nothing, I had to earn my place. People today don't have that mentality anymore. They're spoiled, and they act like they deserve more just because they graced the earth with their presence. Americans are greedy, spoiled brats, and the younger the generation, the worse it gets. Instead of pointing and laughing at the French, we need to be looking at that as a warning. We need to get off our asses, and make the necessary changes before we end up having articles written about how ****ty our workers are. It's embarrassing for me, as an American to have to say it, because we're supposed to be the best. We aren't anymore. We're far below the level of excellence that we once set.

No, actually, that's not what I said. Go back and read it again. Quote it, in fact.

How does that make any difference in what I said? You've got your anecdotal evidence, I've got mine, and neither proves anything. Maybe you just suck as a supervisor.
It was clearly an emotional response, which had nothing to do with anything. It was a cheap shot and you know it. It was also tasteless and juvenile.

Right, like I said, that's where you made it about me. I didn't assume anything.
You made it about you from the very start, and you still are.


Relevant to the discussion, as per the above.
It actually wasn't.


Nope. Read it again, or better yet quote it.
That's the kind of attitude I have when someone paints such a large group with such a broad brush. I have an excellent attitude and work ethic. When I was working gas stations, I was the guy who swept the lot so that the discarded cigarette butts didn't make me look bad. When I delivered pizzas, I was the guy who smiled through 25 cent tips.

If your posts reflect the kind of attitude you walk around with, then you definitely suck as a supervisor. :D

If you want to make it personal like that, lets get personal. You don't know what a real supervisor is. You worked menial unskilled corporate protected jobs, pushing buttons, and delivering pizzas. Get back to me with that criticism when you've had a real job, with real supervisors, where promotions, advancements, and bonuses are based entirely on quality of work and how valuable you actually make yourself to be to the company, not just how long you've been employed by a particular company. That's when you can tell me that you think I suck as a supervisor. That's when I will take your criticisms of my job seriously, because my boss thinks I'm doing a wonderful job, and overall, my employees are pretty damn happy. That's because I was there doing what they were doing. I know what they go through, I know all their little tricks and shams. I also know how to motivate them to work harder, and I know when something is wrong, and need to give them a break, or how to work things around to give them more hours. I know my workers, we're a team tasked with a very important job, and that's why we get **** done better than the rest out here, and why we're ahead of schedule by two weeks. But hey, I suck because I didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. Grow up.
 
You made yourself look foolish. Guess what? The work ethic of the working class is garbage, and needs to be addressed. Working class jobs jobs in this country are a joke, and are more like welfare than anything. I used to be working class, I know how it is. I also knew how to appreciate what I had in those days which is what allowed me to move up in the world. I was given nothing, I had to earn my place. People today don't have that mentality anymore. They're spoiled, and they act like they deserve more just because they graced the earth with their presence. Americans are greedy, spoiled brats, and the younger the generation, the worse it gets. Instead of pointing and laughing at the French, we need to be looking at that as a warning. We need to get off our asses, and make the necessary changes before we end up having articles written about how ****ty our workers are. It's embarrassing for me, as an American to have to say it, because we're supposed to be the best. We aren't anymore. We're far below the level of excellence that we once set.




It was clearly an emotional response, which had nothing to do with anything. It was a cheap shot and you know it. It was also tasteless and juvenile.


You made it about you from the very start, and you still are.



It actually wasn't.





If you want to make it personal like that, lets get personal. You don't know what a real supervisor is. You worked menial unskilled corporate protected jobs, pushing buttons, and delivering pizzas. Get back to me with that criticism when you've had a real job, with real supervisors, where promotions, advancements, and bonuses are based entirely on quality of work and how valuable you actually make yourself to be to the company, not just how long you've been employed by a particular company. That's when you can tell me that you think I suck as a supervisor. That's when I will take your criticisms of my job seriously, because my boss thinks I'm doing a wonderful job, and overall, my employees are pretty damn happy. That's because I was there doing what they were doing. I know what they go through, I know all their little tricks and shams. I also know how to motivate them to work harder, and I know when something is wrong, and need to give them a break, or how to work things around to give them more hours. I know my workers, we're a team tasked with a very important job, and that's why we get **** done better than the rest out here, and why we're ahead of schedule by two weeks. But hey, I suck because I didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. Grow up.

Oh, I get it. I thought I having a conversation with you, but it turns out you're only talking to your mental image of me. You say that I've said things, and when I contradict you and invite you to actually quote what I said, all you've got left is going off on a tangent.

Have fun, I'm done with your silliness.
 
Well if you look at wealth per capita they are 4th in the world.
Forbes didn't say so, but I'll take your word for it. I know they were a little late at Yorktown. They did show up though.
 
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