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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Nothing new to the American experience. It is the main complaint regarding the impact illegals have on American unemployment. Few people realize that most illegal aliens are not trying to immigrate to the U.S.A. Instead, they are trying to make money here so that they and their families can live better in their country of origin.
    It's not exactly the same, though. Your illegals actually live in the US while they work there. So the money they get paid, even if it's a lot less than what an American would work for, seems to be enough for them to pay for rent, food, transportation etc.... The French only work here, for less pay which is more than enough for them to live on comfortably over the border in France. This drives Swiss salaries down in certain industries and makes it impossible for Swiss citizens, who have to live in this country, to make ends meet. Rent, food, transportation, every damn thing is twice as expensive as in France. So, yeah, people are mad.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Or maybe they are just trying not to appear as racists by singling out Muslims so instead they attack anyone who they deem is "not fitting in."
    It is this way: Switzerland, small as it is, is sub-divided into 20 or so cantons. The people from each canton have a deep seated mistrust and rivalry with the people from all other cantons (called "Kantönligeist"). Then, on a higher level there is a very large degree of animosity between the French and the German speaking cantons. Then there is some animosity between the French and German speaking Swiss on the one side and the Italian speaking Swiss on the other. And all Swiss are united in their mistrust against foreigners.

    To be able to characterize French and Germans as "not fitting in", i.e. people who speak the same languages as the Swiss and have a similar culture, the cultural differences are looked at with a microscope and the smallest issues are turned into huge problems in a way that would be seen as comedy anywhere outside of Switzerland.

    The reason why people still go to Switzerland to work there is more money and a less hierarchical and more cooperative working atmosphere. If that outweighs the hostility depends on the place you go to, the people you happen to meet, and yourself.

    That's the sort of thing I heard from Germans working in Switzerland.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Please stop with the unfounded generalization. I've been here for almost 20 years and when I first arrived in this country I used to think like you. Until I got to know these people and realized that xenophobia is rarely at the root of their animosity. You want to live and work here, you make an effort to fit in. I did. No one treats me like a foreigner anymore.
    Okay, I should maybe add that most Swiss people are decent and pleasant human beings just like people everywhere. And they are very friendly if you come as a tourist. And of course they have a very rich cultural and political heritage and every reason to value their traditions.

    I haven't lived in Switzerland but met a whole bunch of people who have. What they tell you is, for example, if you move to Lucerne, and then, after a while, get a Swiss licence plate for your car, and drive through the city just like before, it suddenly becomes possible to switch lanes on the main roads without struggling and having to deal with cars aggressively filling any space you would have needed.

    Is it xenophobia, or are the people who fail to get themselves a Swiss licence plate simply not fitting in well enough?

    Fitting in by speaking the dialect is a good idea, but if you're German and start trying to speak Swiss German, people will either think you are ruining their dialect or they will think you are making fun of it. The best way to go is apparently speaking standard German but understanding Swiss German. Many people do manage to fit in that way, but of course they are still recognized as foreigners. In Germany, we simply don't care if someone is Swiss or German. In Switzerland, it has a great implication. If you say you are not treated as a foreigner, I wonder, what do you think of people who treat anyone "as a foreigner"? The whole idea of "treating someone as a foreigner" is an unknown concept to anyone I would ever want to have anything to do with.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    I always find the Francophobia of conservatives hilarious. Basically, the French represent everything conservatives fear: an intelligent, well-educated electorate that, isn't afraid of complex issues, votes it progressive values, actually thinks about the future, doesn't allow the rich to take away their rights (even to the point of taking to the streets and rioting), and rejects the stupidities of conservative demagoguery.

    Oh, and has superior cuisine, I forgot to mention that.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I always find the Francophobia of conservatives hilarious. Basically, the French represent everything conservatives fear: an intelligent, well-educated electorate that, isn't afraid of complex issues, votes it progressive values, actually thinks about the future, doesn't allow the rich to take away their rights (even to the point of taking to the streets and rioting), and rejects the stupidities of conservative demagoguery.

    Oh, and has superior cuisine, I forgot to mention that.
    you know i am sure if you would setup your own ticket fund, we on the forum would chip in and give you that one way ticket to France.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It's not exactly the same, though. Your illegals actually live in the US while they work there. So the money they get paid, even if it's a lot less than what an American would work for, seems to be enough for them to pay for rent, food, transportation etc.... The French only work here, for less pay which is more than enough for them to live on comfortably over the border in France. This drives Swiss salaries down in certain industries and makes it impossible for Swiss citizens, who have to live in this country, to make ends meet. Rent, food, transportation, every damn thing is twice as expensive as in France. So, yeah, people are mad.
    Sounds really similar to what is happening at the border with Germany. Yes, some people are mad, and it's even understandable. But where would the Swiss hospitals be without all the French and German doctors? Would the ETH Zurich be such a top university without all the hated foreigners? The Swiss economy needs those people.
    Then, if you look at the German (or French) side, you get millions of Swiss cars blocking the parking lots of the shopping mals every weekend, not nice really
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    I love the Swiss. They speak funny.
    You mean because they say "ninety-six" instead of simply saying "four-twenty-sixteen" just like everyone else?
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you know i am sure if you would setup your own ticket fund, we on the forum would chip in and give you that one way ticket to France.
    Yeah, because that's the only alternative in conservativebizarroworld: if you like France, you must hate the US.

    Wow, you guys need counseling. But I'll take your money. Only in teapartyweirdoworld is a trip to Paris a bad thing.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah, because that's the only alternative in conservativebizarroworld: if you like France, you must hate the US.

    Wow, you guys need counseling. But I'll take your money. Only in teapartyweirdoworld is a trip to Paris a bad thing.
    friend, i lived in Europe, and been to France, and other countries of Europe in my time, its a very nice place to visit, and i loved the food, however i am not interested in the political structures of there governments.

    if you wish to live in France, then find yourself a one bedroom apartment in Paris, 350 sq ft for about 1700 dollars a month, your more than welcome, however please stop with telling americans that they should be like France.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    friend, i lived in Europe, and been to France, and other countries of Europe in my time, its a very nice place to visit, and i loved the food, however i am not interested in the political structures of there governments.

    if you wish to live in France, then find yourself a one bedroom apartment in Paris, 350 sq ft for about 1700 dollars a month, your more than welcome, however please stop with telling americans that they should be like France.
    Hey, you lived in Europe too! Wow we have a common bond!

    You mean Paris is expensive! Thank God New York isn't. We are so much better than those Frogs and their expensive socialist city living!

    And thanks for your advise -- yes, I'll stop telling Americans we should be like the French and cultivate education and worker rights and better living standards. It's best to just accept your trailer park world because after all, it's Amurika

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