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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanddune View Post
    Swiss xenophobia against French and Germans is a proof that it's possible to be xenophobic even when immigration actually benefits a country.
    Or maybe they are just trying not to appear as racists by singling out Muslims so instead they attack anyone who they deem is "not fitting in."

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanddune View Post
    It would be a mistake to see this as anything else than a bad excuse for Swiss xenophobia. The Germans are boycotted by some Swiss firms because they don't speak German with a Swiss accent (which is something like a throat disease). If they try, they make a fool of themselves and are told to speak standard German again, if they don't, they are accused of not integrating.

    What I'm saying is that xenophobes will always find an excuse for their xenophobia, however ridiculous. Never mind most of the German (and probably also the French) immigrants are highly qualified people who are badly needed by the Swiss economy.

    What do you expect in a country in which an openly xenophobic party (Swiss People's Party) has gained more than 20% of the votes for the completely useless and purely hostile act of banning minarets (a majority even voted for that in a referendum) and for routinely insulting one immigrant group after the other?

    Oh, even if it doesn't sound like that right now, I generally like and respect the Swiss and Switzerland is one of the few countries I look up to in many ways. And of course, xenophobia exists everywhere. It's just that one shouldn't read anything rational into the Swiss way of dealing with any foreign immigrants.
    It's not xenophobia. It's more an expectation that if you decide to move here, you'd better adapt to Swiss society, because we're certainly not going to adapt to you. The expectations depend on what part of the country you find yourself in. In Swiss Germany, if you don't speak the local language you're never going to truly fit in. And that goes for Swiss citizens who come from the French or Italian speaking parts too, not just for foreign nationals. Don't confuse actual xenophobia, which of course exists, with the very Swiss tendency to fiercely protect its traditions and its various regional identities.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Or maybe they are just trying not to appear as racists by singling out Muslims so instead they attack anyone who they deem is "not fitting in."
    White guilt runs so strong in some that the desire to avoid being considered racist results in such complete double standards that they become everything they claim to oppose.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanddune View Post
    Swiss xenophobia against French and Germans is a proof that it's possible to be xenophobic even when immigration actually benefits a country.
    Please stop with the unfounded generalization. I've been here for almost 20 years and when I first arrived in this country I used to think like you. Until I got to know these people and realized that xenophobia is rarely at the root of their animosity. You want to live and work here, you make an effort to fit in. I did. No one treats me like a foreigner anymore.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    White guilt runs so strong in some that the desire to avoid being considered racist results in such complete double standards that they become everything they claim to oppose.
    I have no such guilt, I just point out problems where they appear and facts as they are.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Okay, let's be serious here.

    There's been a growing backlash in the Swiss cantons bordering France against French residents who cross the border every day to work in Switzerland. The reasons why they seek work here are obvious. Our salaries are often up to three times higher than theirs. Local populist political parties have been calling for years for a reduction in French workers. Since the cost of living in France is so much lower, they come here and are willing to work for half the money a Swiss citizen needs. Obviously, Swiss companies were very happy at first to be hiring employees who were willing to work for peanuts (Swiss peanuts, of course, which everyone knows are made of pure gold). This made Swiss citizens really angry as they saw all those French workers as "stealing their jobs".

    Now, according to the newspaper in question, of which I happen to have a copy right here on my desk, this new trend of avoiding French nationals is mostly affecting the banking/financing industries. The work ethic in this industry is extremely strict and demanding even by Swiss standards. Call it anal-retentive if you're so inclined, but the Swiss work ethic and the French work ethic (if such a thing even exists LOL!) are not exactly compatible. I'm not surprised employers in this particular industry are starting to avoid French applicants.
    Nothing new to the American experience. It is the main complaint regarding the impact illegals have on American unemployment. Few people realize that most illegal aliens are not trying to immigrate to the U.S.A. Instead, they are trying to make money here so that they and their families can live better in their country of origin.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I have no such guilt, I just point out problems where they appear and facts as they are.
    I made no claims you did. There is no need to assume that every response to yours opposes yours or is accusatory in nature.

    I was addressing the phenomenon that results in people forming double standards based upon race or other factors that would account for their being resistant to immigration from one group but unwilling to express the same sentiment for another.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    You want to live and work here, you make an effort to fit in. I did. No one treats me like a foreigner anymore.
    Wait a minute here, Arcana -- you stopped being sultry, sensual and complex and opted for punctual, orderly and sensible?

    Damn, just damn!
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Wait a minute here, Arcana -- you stopped being sultry, sensual and complex and opted for punctual, orderly and sensible?

    Damn, just damn!
    LOL

    I live in Geneva. We're practically French.

    But all jokes aside, when I lived in Zurich, yes, I had to be punctual, orderly and sensible. Which is why I got the hell outta there as soon as I could.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I made no claims you did. There is no need to assume that every response to yours opposes yours or is accusatory in nature.

    I was addressing the phenomenon that results in people forming double standards based upon race or other factors that would account for their being resistant to immigration from one group but unwilling to express the same sentiment for another.
    Of course they do. I wasn't intending it as a defensive response. You posed a characterization, and I was just adding to it as if to say "this is how people should act."

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