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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    In my experience of French people is that hold themselves and their social programs (I think they are a part of their constitution) and especially their constitution/government (which I like the best of any country) in very high regard. Those labour laws and social programs are ingrained into French society if you want to reform them you need to change how the French see themselves. Those who advocate strict adherence to the American constitution should look at France who follow their constitution practically to the letter.
    Then I see them as struggling for the foreseeable future. But only time will tell.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    It's why the Socialists push for a wealth tax because there is massive stockpiled wealth in France.
    I suppose we can attribute that to the numerous invasions and transgressions from within. I must admit, this is news to me - not for the notoriously wealthy, but for the average folk.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    The French. So lazy they produce more GDP per capita per hour worked than most other labor forces in the world. The Swiss assessment is just another example of the xenophobia which pervades every European country.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Then I see them as struggling for the foreseeable future. But only time will tell.
    I checked and to my understanding yes those social protections are part of their constitution.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I suppose we can attribute that to the numerous invasions and transgressions from within. I must admit, this is news to me - not for the notoriously wealthy, but for the average folk.
    Most of it is in Paris, as Paris is the business centre of Europe and the EU. It is the second largest city economically in the world only behind Tokyo.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    I love the Swiss. They speak funny.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

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    French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters - The Local


    French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Swiss recruitment firms are shunning French candidates because they are deemed "too lazy" and "arrogant" and have a penchant for ringing in sick on Mondays and Fridays, according to reports in a Swiss newspaper this week.
    Published: 29 Jul 2013 15:33 CET


    The French have come under the cosh for their work ethic in recent months. In February, outspoken American CEO Maurice Taylor accused French factory workers of spending most of their time at work talking and now it is the turn of the Swiss to cast aspersions on how hard the French work.
    This week, a Swiss paper provoked headlines and more soul searching in France by claiming recruitment firms in the country are shunning the French because they are perceived to be too “lazy and arrogant”.
    Le Matin Dimanche reported that Swiss recruitment firms are including the requirement “Swiss or resident in Switzerland” in job adverts to avoid being inundated by French applicants.
    Recruitment agencies interviewed by the newspaper say they include the condition in order to meet with the desires of their clients, who have a less than flattering view of the French.
    The newspaper quotes the head of recruitment at a medium sized construction firm, who complains that the French staff are often ill on Mondays or Fridays and they have a "vengeful" attitude.
    "There's always a problem. It's totally different with the Spanish and the Portuguese," the head of the recruitment tells the newspaper anonymously.
    French are boycotted
    Le Matin Dimanche writes that “In areas like construction… The French are boycotted: They are judged to be lazy and grumpy and pretentious by the companies".
    Including a condition that stipulates candidates must be "Swiss or resident in Switzerland" is in fact against the law because of the 1999 agreement Switzerland signed with the EU over freedom of movement that requires citizens of both countries be treated equally.
    To avoid breaking the laws Le Matin Dimanche said recruitment firms would often demand applicants must have a high level of German even when it is not needed, knowing this will reduce the chances of a French candidate applying.
    The Swiss newspaper also claims that Swiss banks are put off recruiting French workers, because they are worried they might turn into whistleblowers.
    This follows the recent case of Pierre Condamin-Gerbier, the former employee of Reyl and Cie bank, who recently handed over to authorities in Paris a list of French politicians he claimed had secret bank accounts in Switzerland.
    The French work ethnic has not just come under scrutiny from foreigners.
    French author Aurélie Boullet (alias Zoé Shepard) caused uproar when she published the book ‘Absolument Dé-bor-dée!’ (‘Absolutely Snowed Under!’), an ironic account of work in a fictional town hall, based on her own experience.
    Boullet told The Local earlier this year that although the French did have certain issues such as an obsession with meetings, it was nevertheless unfair to criticize the work ethic of all French people.
    “There’s no single work ethic in France, but rather there are many,” she said. “It depends on the people directing a company. Some [directors] inspire a real energy, instilling a “quality” approach – with regular assessments to see if the client and the public are satisfied.”


    Ben McPartland (ben.mcpartland@thelocal.com)
    It would be a mistake to see this as anything else than a bad excuse for Swiss xenophobia. The Germans are boycotted by some Swiss firms because they don't speak German with a Swiss accent (which is something like a throat disease). If they try, they make a fool of themselves and are told to speak standard German again, if they don't, they are accused of not integrating.

    What I'm saying is that xenophobes will always find an excuse for their xenophobia, however ridiculous. Never mind most of the German (and probably also the French) immigrants are highly qualified people who are badly needed by the Swiss economy.

    What do you expect in a country in which an openly xenophobic party (Swiss People's Party) has gained more than 20% of the votes for the completely useless and purely hostile act of banning minarets (a majority even voted for that in a referendum) and for routinely insulting one immigrant group after the other?

    Oh, even if it doesn't sound like that right now, I generally like and respect the Swiss and Switzerland is one of the few countries I look up to in many ways. And of course, xenophobia exists everywhere. It's just that one shouldn't read anything rational into the Swiss way of dealing with any foreign immigrants.
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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    I checked and to my understanding yes those social protections are part of their constitution.
    Their constitution can also be amended much easier then ours. But I really meant time will tell if France struggles as a country. Their economy is in much worse shape then ours is.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanddune View Post
    It would be a mistake to see this as anything else than a bad excuse for Swiss xenophobia. The Germans are boycotted by some Swiss firms because they don't speak German with a Swiss accent (which is something like a throat disease). If they try, they make a fool of themselves and are told to speak standard German again, if they don't, they are accused of not integrating.

    What I'm saying is that xenophobes will always find an excuse for their xenophobia, however ridiculous. Never mind most of the German (and probably also the French) immigrants are highly qualified people who are badly needed by the Swiss economy.

    What do you expect in a country in which an openly xenophobic party (Swiss People's Party) has gained more than 20% of the votes for the completely useless and purely hostile act of banning minarets (a majority even voted for that in a referendum) and for routinely insulting one immigrant group after the other?

    Oh, even if it doesn't sound like that right now, I generally like and respect the Swiss and Switzerland is one of the few countries I look up to in many ways. And of course, xenophobia exists everywhere. It's just that one shouldn't read anything rational into the Swiss way of dealing with any foreign immigrants.
    Calling it xenophobia doesn't erase the enormous problems that immigration is imposing on many countries in Europe.

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    Re: French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Calling it xenophobia doesn't erase the enormous problems that immigration is imposing on many countries in Europe.
    Swiss xenophobia against French and Germans is a proof that it's possible to be xenophobic even when immigration actually benefits a country.
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