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Politico: House GOP takes another cut at food stamp bill

I think something got screwed up while you were quoting me
The bill has a requirement that if not employed, AB SNAP recipients must take 20hr/wk of training. The bill is not providing the monies for training to the states. Therefore, if you are unemployed and the state is not providing training on their dime, you lose benefits.....ergo, those unemployed ARE being targeted.
 
just wondering but what exactly is your opinion about the policy outlined in the OP?

Well, the op isn't exactly big on details, but I feel in general efforts to tie assistance into work requirements is a good thing. Though I imagine the GOP is approaching it from a punitive angle and over playing their hand
 
Twenty hours a week wouldn't even pay for day care. It would be like working so you could pay someone else to raise your kids.

rereading the article, it deals with those able-bodied individuals, who are under 50, and lack dependents.
 
I'm not the biggest fan of food stamps but I think i'm opposing this cut just because Eric Cantor is pioneering it. Can't stand that guy.
 
The bill has a requirement that if not employed, AB SNAP recipients must take 20hr/wk of training. The bill is not providing the monies for training to the states. Therefore, if you are unemployed and the state is not providing training on their dime, you lose benefits.....ergo, those unemployed ARE being targeted.


from the article:

Currently Washington provides a 50 percent match for states that spend their own funds for employment and training programs for food stamp recipients. As proposed now, the bill would only provide this aid if the state is willing to operate welfare reform-like work activities for mothers with children over 1- years-old.

the article cited in the OP isn't exactly clear on details, but the above seems to suggest supplementation for already existing training programs would be cut, if single mothers were not required to engage in such to receive assistance.

From what's in the OP, I really find it hard to take real issue with either policy, but certainly leave open the possibility that the actual language of the legislation is more problematic
 
from the article:



the article cited in the OP isn't exactly clear on details, but the above seems to suggest supplementation for already existing training programs would be cut, if single mothers were not required to engage in such to receive assistance.

From what's in the OP, I really find it hard to take real issue with either policy, but certainly leave open the possibility that the actual language of the legislation is more problematic
These waiver rollbacks for the states are designed to further limit the number of people who receive or need to enroll, it is extremist bagger nonsense during a continuing extreme tight job market, it is literally an attempt to take food away from folks who by no fault of there own are caught in this lousy recovery. Instead of working to get jobs programs up and running, the House baggers think that increasing the pressure on those already not earning enough when the jobs are not there is a way to stimulate the economy.
 
from the article:



the article cited in the OP isn't exactly clear on details, but the above seems to suggest supplementation for already existing training programs would be cut, if single mothers were not required to engage in such to receive assistance.

From what's in the OP, I really find it hard to take real issue with either policy, but certainly leave open the possibility that the actual language of the legislation is more problematic

i don't know if anyone else besides you read the entire article but i will post the rest of it:

As reported by the House Agriculture Committee in June, the nutrition title of the farm bill already claimed about $20.5 billion in 10-year food stamp savings. The new target of about $40 billion became public Wednesday evening and was confirmed by Agriculture Committee Chairman Frank Lucas (R-Okla.), when pressed by reporters at an appearance Thursday.

“The drafting process is ongoing. It’s being coordinated by the majority leader’s staff.” Lucas said. And Minnesota Rep. Collin Peterson, the panel’s ranking Democrat, said Lucas was being dragged down a path that will ultimately make it harder to enact farm legislation.

“You will have to ask them what the hell they think they are up to but this is not going to help,” Peterson said. “I don’t see how we get a farm bill at the end of the day.

“I don’t what they are trying to do here other than placate the Wall Street Journal and the Club for Growth and Heritage,” he added. “I’ll guarantee you this is going to make no difference to the United States Senate. They are not going to be anywhere near close to it.”

Peterson said his great fear is that the Cantor effort will only raise the stakes on the food stamp cuts to the point where any compromise with be unacceptable to conservatives and make it harder for Democrats to step back in and help pass the final report from the House-Senate conference.

“They have alienated so many Democrats in this process,” Peterson said. “I’m not sure they are going to want to help.”

Lucas seemed mindful of the challenges too in his appearance before an agribusiness audience Thursday.

“Bear in mind in the present work product, the Senate reforms save about $4 billion in their draft,” he said. “The House saves 20.5. Don’t be surprised from the CBO scores of this next product if it doesn’t save $40 billion.”

“This may be one of those issues where the conference committee can work out what each policy really does and what the dollar effect on the budget is but where you have to have a little more guidance from on high,” he said. “That’s not passing the buck — that’s just saying it’s a tough bridge to cross to achieve consensus.”

House GOP takes another cut at food stamp bill - David Rogers - POLITICO.com

although i am surprised why the article even brings up conference committees, because i got the impression that house republicans did not want to use conferance committees, at least when it came to the issue of creating a budget.
 
i believe in mixed government of the founders federalist 40, ....not the stupidity of democracy
I believe in a mixed economy, too. If there was something better than democracy I probably would agree with you.

the census does not count citizens, it counts people, anybody
you stated rural states, were counting people as citizens who were illegal..they are becuase thats what the constitution says to do.
Thats right and then the states use the census to apportion districts for representation. But some of the people counted in the census are not represented in government and they either should be or they should be separated from the citizen count.


by the way we are not a democracy, you will not find that word in our founding documents, or the constitution of any state.
Republic simply means we're not a monarchy. We are democratic Republic because we the people elect representatives to government. We hold democratic elections and that is basically what democracy means.


actually it does, but not by name, the 13 14 15th amendments to our constitution were written for the slaves only, as stated by the USSC in the slaughterhouse case of 1873.
The constitution doesn't actually say "citizens" by name either....remember?


however later it has been stated by the court it applies to all citizens.........by stating that the bill of rights now applies to the states.
If you knew the court stated that it applies to all citizens then why would you pretend it didn't?

the amendments removed them from slavery, due process, could not be discriminated by governments, privileges and immunities, and they could not be denied the vote because they were a slave.
And yet, they were prevented from voting and denied their rights for almost a hundred years after those amendments were ratified. How do you explain that?

voting under the constitution by the founders was not a right. ..it was a privilege as stated by the founders....the court later called it a right.
Yes, we abide by the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

So what exactly was your point?
 
I'm not sure of the exact wording of the bill, but the group of possible people effected by such a policy change would likely be much more broad than what you suggest, with some more than likely deserving the loss of assistance.
No doubt there are a few.

But I'm not sure how that changes the fact that you just spent 6 pages ranting about things that have no relation to the proposed legislation.

I am always amazed at seemingly how proud you are of your ignorance: raising some red herring based on what you assume my position is doesn't address the fact that you had absolutely no idea what you were ranting about. Secondly, my views on healthcare reform likely don't reflect from the mentally-stunted caricature that you were able to work up in your head
So now you're going to spend the next 6 pages ranting about me, is that it? :roll:
 
i don't know if anyone else besides you read the entire article but i will post the rest of it

Given the discussion here, I really don't think anyone did.
 
1)no, but it does serve the purpose of keeping people engaged with the economy.

2)which isn't exactly a bad thing. twenty hours out of a week is hardly a demanding schedule, even for someone with a kid

And it's not that I even agree with any policy outlined in the OP< it's just your objections up to this point seem based on nothing more than ignorance and hysterics

People are engaged in the economy every time they have to buy something even if it's with food stamps.

it's just your objections up to this point seem based on nothing more than ignorance and hysterics
At least my rants were meant to address the OP... yours are just sniveling personal attacks.
 
I believe in a mixed economy, too. If there was something better than democracy I probably would agree with you.

thats mixed government...not mixed economy........democracy is vile, and destructive........republican government is the highest form of government


Thats right and then the states use the census to apportion districts for representation. But some of the people counted in the census are not represented in government and they either should be or they should be separated from the citizen count.

the census is for the federal government, for representation of the house and its 435 members.

how can you separate people?.....the constitution states all free people will be counted, it does not say citizen...every person has to be counted.



Republic simply means we're not a monarchy. We are democratic Republic because we the people elect representatives to government. We hold democratic elections and that is basically what democracy means.

no, you have been lied to.

read the founding fathers their letters, federalist papers and the constitution itself

democracy is a democratic form of government, the u.s. has a republican form of government article 4 section 4 of the u.s. constitution.

read federalist 10 where Madison states we have republican government.

read federalist 39 in titled "Conformity of the Plan to Republican Principles".........does it say democratic principles?.........no!

John Adams wrote in 1806: "I once thought our Constitution was quasi or mixed government, but they have now made it, to all intents and purposes, in virtue, in spirit, and in effect, a democracy. We are left without resources but in our prayers and tears, and have nothing that we can do or say, but the Lord have mercy on us."

the USSR held elections, for Stalin, did that make them a democracy?

The constitution doesn't actually say "citizens" by name either....remember?


have you not read the constitution at all....the constitution says Citizens many times...............but it says free people for the census


If you knew the court stated that it applies to all citizens then why would you pretend it didn't?

becuase when it was originally written it on the issue of slaves, it was only decades later the court changed it, i brought it up becuase you talked about the constitution not addressing the slave issue, and it does.

twice once under the founders to end importation on slaves in 1808, and the 14th amendment for slaves.




And yet, they were prevented from voting and denied their rights for almost a hundred years after those amendments were ratified. How do you explain that?

what are you going to tell me blacks could not vote until 1970?



Yes, we abide by the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

So what exactly was your point?

that voting was not a right, the 15th amendment to the constitution states that a citizens cannot denied be right to a vote becuase that person was a slave, it grants no voting right.

you will not see a voting right listed in the constitution at all. that is a court interpretation, not the constitution.

early american court cases on voting, state...if you dont pay taxes, you dont vote, it says nothing of woman, or blacks, the founders wanted people who had a stake in the union to vote.
 
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thats mixed government...not mixed economy........democracy is vile, and destructive........republican government is the highest form of government.
Republic simply means "no monarchy". To have a Republican government you still have some form of government besides "no monarchy". The forefathers chose democracy. Thomas Jefferson even called his political party the Democratic-Republican party to make the point....

"...The Democratic-Republican Party was the political party organized by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in 1791-93. It stood in opposition to the Federalist Party and controlled the Presidency and Congress, and most states, from 1801 to 1824, during the First Party System.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party

In opposition to the Democratic-Republican was the Federalist Party. Their platform was to have a large powerful, nationalist, central government, along with a national bank, tariffs and good relations with Britain...but they still needed democracy to get elected. Their party became obsolete after the Civil War....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Party

So what kind of government do you espouse to replace democracy, ernest? Cuz it sure sounds like you would prefer a monarchy and not a republic.

the census is for the federal government, for representation of the house and its 435 members.
how can you separate people? .....the constitution states all free people will be counted, it does not say citizen...every person has to be counted.
You said yourself that a court stated it applies to all citizens. But illegal immigrants are not citizens and yet they are counted in the US census as free persons. But only citizens can vote and yet the states are counting all "free persons" including illegal immigrants as citizens and gaining seats they don't deserve. Why don't you read the article I posted and save us both the frustration of your circular reasoning.


no, you have been lied to. democracy is a democratic form of government, the u.s. has a republican form of government article 4 section 4 of the u.s. constitution.

read federalist 10 where Madison states we have republican government.

read federalist 39 in titled "Conformity of the Plan to Republican Principles".........does it say democratic principles?.........no!
Quit quibbling and go look up the definition of a Republic. You're just fooling yourself and wasting everyones time, if you don't.

John Adams wrote in 1806: "I once thought our Constitution was quasi or mixed government, but they have now made it, to all intents and purposes, in virtue, in spirit, and in effect, a democracy. We are left without resources but in our prayers and tears, and have nothing that we can do or say, but the Lord have mercy on us."

the USSR held elections, for Stalin, did that make them a democracy?
John Adams was a big government Federalist..but he was "democratically elected" ....because we're not a monarchy, we're a republic. Any country that does not have a ruling monarchy including the USSR can be called a republic.

have you not read the constitution at all....the constitution says Citizens many times...............but it says free people for the census
Don't you understand the difference between an illegal immigrant and a citizen? An illegal immigrant is still a "free person", but they are not citizens. And yet the states are counting them as "citizens" to get more representation in congress than they deserve.

...becuase when it was originally written it on the issue of slaves, it was only decades later the court changed it, i brought it up becuase you talked about the constitution not addressing the slave issue, and it does.
Knock it off. I never said the constitution doesn't address the slave issue. I said the constitution does not have the word slave written anywhere in it, which it doesn't. Instead it refers to slaves as "3/5 of a person".

You said the census clause does not have the word "citizen" in it and then you went on to cite that the courts stated that "free persons" meant "citizens". So which is it, are illegal immigrants citizens or not? You can't have both ways.


what are you going to tell me blacks could not vote until 1970? that voting was not a right, the 15th amendment to the constitution states that a citizens cannot denied be right to a vote becuase that person was a slave, it grants no voting right.
Uh, the 15th amendment was ratified shortley after the Civil War and several decades after the 3/5 person clause in the Constitution was written. In it, it protects the right of all citizens to vote. So are you saying that freed and former slaves aren't citizens? Really?

The fifteenth amendment says they are....

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1


early american court cases on voting, state...if you dont pay taxes, you dont vote, it says nothing of woman, or blacks, the founders wanted people who had a stake in the union to vote.
You mean the Federalist only wanted the rich plantation owners and bankers to vote? My, how things have changed...and for the better I might add.
 
Republic simply means "no monarchy". To have a Republican government you still have some form of government besides "no monarchy". The forefathers chose democracy. Thomas Jefferson even called his political party the Democratic-Republican party to make the point....

"...The Democratic-Republican Party was the political party organized by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in 1791-93. It stood in opposition to the Federalist Party and controlled the Presidency and Congress, and most states, from 1801 to 1824, during the First Party System.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party

In opposition to the Democratic-Republican was the Federalist Party. Their platform was to have a large powerful, nationalist, central government, along with a national bank, tariffs and good relations with Britain...but they still needed democracy to get elected. Their party became obsolete after the Civil War....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Party

So what kind of government do you espouse to replace democracy, ernest? Cuz it sure sounds like you would prefer a monarchy and not a republic.

do you read the founders......democracy is no where in the founding documents, the founders hate democracy.

democracy is the most vile form of government--james madsion

article 4 Section. 4. of the U.S CONSTITUTION

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

i want republican government, , mixed government where power is divided between the people and the states...like the founders created.

You said yourself that a court stated it applies to all citizens. But illegal immigrants are not citizens and yet they are counted in the US census as free persons. But only citizens can vote and yet the states are counting all "free persons" including illegal immigrants as citizens and gaining seats they don't deserve. Why don't you read the article I posted and save us both the frustration of your circular reasoning.

the constitution states all free people ,it does not say citizens, so it is the federal government counting them on the census, do i like it ......no ..but the government is dong it.

Quit quibbling and go look up the definition of a Republic. You're just fooling yourself and wasting everyones time, if you don't.

so i need to look at a dictionary? why dont you look at the federalist papers...10 and 39, and 40 , where it states we are a mixed government.


The Federalist No. 40
On the Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained
New York Packet
Friday, January 18, 1788
[James Madison]
To the People of the State of New York:

THE second point to be examined is, whether the [constitutional]convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.


John Adams was a big government Federalist..but he was "democratically elected" ....because we're not a monarchy, we're a republic. Any country that does not have a ruling monarchy including the USSR can be called a republic.

wrong .........Adams was elected by the electoral college...that is not democracy.........if we were a democracy every federal position, would be directly elected...and it was not created that way, ....only the house was a direct vote of the people..not the senate or the president.


Don't you understand the difference between an illegal immigrant and a citizen? An illegal immigrant is still a "free person", but they are not citizens. And yet the states are counting them as "citizens" to get more representation in congress than they deserve.

but the constitution states free people... it does not state citizen, so thats how its being interpreted.......why are you acting as though i am wrong..i am telling you what they are doing..thats all.



Knock it off. I never said the constitution doesn't address the slave issue. I said the constitution does not have the word slave written anywhere in it, which it doesn't. Instead it refers to slaves as "3/5 of a person".

correct.... it does not mention them by name, but the 14th was written for them...

3/5 of a person is not a racial issue..its a tax and representation issue......the south wanted to count them as 1 person for representation.


You said the census clause does not have the word "citizen" in it and then you went on to cite that the courts stated that "free persons" meant "citizens". So which is it, are illegal immigrants citizens or not? You can't have both ways.

no...... i said the constitution states free people in the census, and said government is counting them in the census becuase of that wording...


Uh, the 15th amendment was ratified shortley after the Civil War and several decades after the 3/5 person clause in the Constitution was written. In it, it protects the right of all citizens to vote. So are you saying that freed and former slaves aren't citizens? Really?

no.......the 15th it was ratified in 1870....3/5 is in the original constitution of 1787.....no .......its say a person cannot be denied the vote becuase of a former servitude...IE.. slavery...why i told you it was ......written for black people..

the 14th amendment made them u.s. citizens, before the civil war there are only .....state citizens.

The fifteenth amendment says they are....

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1


You mean the Federalist only wanted the rich plantation owners and bankers to vote? My, how things have changed...and for the better I might add.

wrong, ......people have gone to court in early america, just average citizens, who were denied the vote, ...but they had voted before.

the court ruled.....if you didnt own property of pay taxes you didn't vote, the founders wanted people who have a stake in america

one case i am stating..... is about a man who sold all of his property and was no longer paying taxes on it, the court ruled since he sold them off he no longer had a vote....until he owned land and paid taxes again.
 
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do you read the founders......democracy is no where in the founding documents, the founders hate democracy. democracy is the most vile form of government--james madsion
Later Madison thought that federalism was the most vile form of government because it was too much like a monarchy and joined with Jefferson to become a democrat.


article 4 Section. 4. of the U.S CONSTITUTION

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

i want republican government, , mixed government where power is divided between the people and the states...like the founders created.
What you want is one thing, what you get is determined at the ballot box by the majority..aka...democracy. Personally, I don't want to be ruled by a minority...and if you read Madison's federalist essays in context, you'd find that he didn't either.

so i need to look at a dictionary? why dont you look at the federalist papers...10 and 39, and 40 , where it states we are a mixed government.
I have and still the word 'republic' simply means "no monarchy".

wrong .........Adams was elected by the electoral college...that is not democracy.........if we were a democracy every federal position, would be directly elected...and it was not created that way, ....only the house was a direct vote of the people..not the senate or the president.
If we elected every position and voted on every issue that would be called a "direct democracy". There are many kinds of democracy. Our country is a "representative democracy".

but the constitution states free people... it does not state citizen, so thats how its being interpreted.......why are you acting as though i am wrong..i am telling you what they are doing..thats all
correct.... it does not mention them by name, but the 14th was written for them...

3/5 of a person is not a racial issue..its a tax and representation issue......the south wanted to count them as 1 person for representation.
3/5 person is a slave issue. A slave issue IS a racial issue. The forefathers believed the institution of slavery would soon end and didn't want to give it any legitimacy by putting the word "slave" in the constitution. So they called them "other persons".

no...... i said the constitution states free people in the census, and said government is counting them in the census becuase of that wording... no.......the 15th it was ratified in 1870....3/5 is in the original constitution of 1787.....no .......its say a person cannot be denied the vote becuase of a former servitude...IE.. slavery...why i told you it was ......written for black people..the 14th amendment made them u.s. citizens, before the civil war there are only .....state citizens.
The 14th amendment, section 2, states that if any male over the age of 21 inhabiting a state is denied the right to vote, then the numbers counted for representation should be reduced accordingly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Illegal immigrants are not citizens and are not allowed to vote, but the states ARE counting them to get more representation in government. That is unconstitutional as per the 14th amendment. That is the point and only point I have been trying to make.


wrong, ......people have gone to court in early america, just average citizens, who were denied the vote, ...but they had voted before.

the court ruled.....if you didnt own property of pay taxes you didn't vote, the founders wanted people who have a stake in america

one case i am stating..... is about a man who sold all of his property and was no longer paying taxes on it, the court ruled since he sold them off he no longer had a vote....until he owned land and paid taxes again.
The 14th and 15th amendment remedied that problem, did it not?
 
Later Madison thought that federalism was the most vile form of government because it was too much like a monarchy and joined with Jefferson to become a democrat.


Madison was a federalist but became a anti-federalist after the alien and seduction act, which he opposed, and spoke out against and stated that the federal government has no authority over rights at all.

What you want is one thing, what you get is determined at the ballot box by the majority..aka...democracy. Personally, I don't want to be ruled by a minority...and if you read Madison's federalist essays in context, you'd find that he didn't either.

in republican government there is no majority or minority rule, becuase power is divide in (2), some no one person, group or people rule over another, democracy concentrates power into one entity and that one entity will become tyrannical, becuase it has all the power, which is why the founders hate all democracies.

I have and still the word 'republic' simply means "no monarchy".

the us. is a federal republic, with republican government, ...democracy is democratic.

both systems of government have people voting, however in republican government which is a higher form of government, the people do not have all direct power only half.



If we elected every position and voted on every issue that would be called a "direct democracy". There are many kinds of democracy. Our country is a "representative democracy".

a direct democracy is where the people vote and instruct their government what to do.

a representative democracy is where the people vote and their representatives instruct government what to do.

democracy means majority rule...something the founders hated.

when you read the founders will will see the founders hate representative democracy, john Adams works #6 is good place to read this.

the founders did not want power all direct power into the people hands becuase that is dangerous...........anyone can be a tyrant, if given all power, even the people thru majority rule.

3/5 person is a slave issue. A slave issue IS a racial issue. The forefathers believed the institution of slavery would soon end and didn't want to give it any legitimacy by putting the word "slave" in the constitution. So they called them "other persons".

3/5 is about will the slaves be counted as a full person for representation purpose and taxes..........taxes which the south was paying most of for the federal government

the south wants to count them as 1, and the north stated if they are 1, then they must be a full person, the south then called them property..a compromise was reached, so we would have a constitution

if they would have been counted as 1 , the south would have dominated the house, and controlled it, and the civil war would have never happened.

the founders sought to end slavery by outlawing the importation of slaves in 1808, and during constitution only 3 states wanted slavery, the founders believe in would end with there deaths.


The 14th amendment, section 2, states that if any male over the age of 21 inhabiting a state is denied the right to vote, then the numbers counted for representation should be reduced accordingly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Illegal immigrants are not citizens and are not allowed to vote, but the states ARE counting them to get more representation in government. That is unconstitutional as per the 14th amendment. That is the point and only point I have been trying to make.

is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

well i dont read it that way, ........i read it.. if the state denies male inhabitants of such State, and [citizens of the United States (slaves)] are in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime he basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens[/B] shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

citizens in the 14th amendment means slaves...when it was written.

but your right illegals are not citizens,....... however under the founders voting is not a right, so if you say voting is a right............. then does not right then pertain to illegals since they are people too?

an illegal has the right, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness has he not?...or are these rights only exclusive to Americans?.......this is why saying voting is a right screws things up.


The 14th and 15th amendment remedied that problem, did it not?

the purpose of the 14th was to give slaves rights per the BOR, privileges and immunities, due process, and that they could not be discriminated against by governments

the 15th says no person, but meaning slaves, could be denied the vote because of race, color or being a former slave.
 
House GOP takes another cut at food stamp bill - David Rogers - POLITICO.com



besides the obvious fact that some of the rules in this food stamp bill targets new york and California, how does cantor think that this bill's controversial cuts and provision will survive if the house goes into conference with the senate.

the senate and house variations of the farm bill are miles apart, not to mention that house separated the food stamp and farm subsidies were split into two separate bills, while the senate covers both issues in the same bill.

This nonsense is nothing more than a nameless check with attached regulations that's being called a "food stamp bill" just to make it sound like sunshine and rainbows.... This bill is pretty much nothing more than a payout with new laws.
 
When a state counts illegal immigrants as US citizens they are getting more representation than they deserve. And it's usually the rural states....

Census nonsense - Los Angeles Times

I was under the impression that it was California that was counting illegals in their population and the "rural" States were trying to limit their illegal population.
 
Regardless, we should have the representatives in the House determined by the number of citizens in each State especially now that Federal taxes are not proportionally raised between the States.
 
I was under the impression that it was California that was counting illegals in their population and the "rural" States were trying to limit their illegal population.
It was my impression that all the states with large illegal immigrant populations are counting them as "citizens", not just California. The farmers in rural states actually want immigration reform because they need the labor to pick the crops and they're getting tired of the uncertainty in the laws. The ones that don't want it are tea party hacks who were elected in a one horse towns by a minority of whites. They can see the writing on the wall....as soon immigrants are legal citizens and allowed to vote they're gonna be history.
 
It was my impression that all the states with large illegal immigrant populations are counting them as "citizens", not just California. The farmers in rural states actually want immigration reform because they need the labor to pick the crops and they're getting tired of the uncertainty in the laws. The ones that don't want it are tea party hacks who were elected in a one horse towns by a minority of whites. They can see the writing on the wall....as soon immigrants are legal citizens and allowed to vote they're gonna be history.

See, here we go.

On the very first page of this thread you said this, "Why, so we can watch people beg for food on every corner?". Now you say farmers want immigration reform because they "need the labor". Lets see, if we did away with food stamps, welfare, housing and all the other freebies, what's one of the things you think would happen?
 
See, here we go.

On the very first page of this thread you said this, "Why, so we can watch people beg for food on every corner?". Now you say farmers want immigration reform because they "need the labor". Lets see, if we did away with food stamps, welfare, housing and all the other freebies, what's one of the things you think would happen?

Did you read the entire thread or just the first and last page?
 
Did you read the entire thread or just the first and last page?

I asked first.

But the correct answer to your question is neither. There is a couple of pages that just go tit for tat without any real points.
 
Why, so we can watch people beg for food on every corner?

Many people wouldn't beg; they'd turn to crime. If those who want to eliminate social safety nets ever get their way, the haves living in gated communities are in for a rude awakening.
 
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