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US releases prisoners from Guantanamo

Sanddune said:
Yes there is a point I am trying to make with that. All of those things produce a lot more terrorism than they prevent. And besides that, the US have been pissing on our common values since 9/11. How credible do you think it is whenever the US government talks about human rights these days?
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I don't think that at all. Terrorism as been around a long time. Since we have gone on the offensive, we've had better results inside our land. Of course every place can't say that, the weakest spot or the easiest for the terrorist to attack get hit quite often. But it's that way regardless of whatever US policy is. When the US speaks about human rights these days, keenly aware people will and do listen. Those swept up in over emotional feelings or those with leanings toward the terrorist won't. At least until the terrorists strike close to them. Then they choose either complete surrender, like Spain did for awhile, or they smarten up.
 
joG said:
I would not say he was forced. But it would have been very bad for the US after saying he would invade not to do so.

And yes again. The administration wanted to take out an enemy in the area. Iran was discussed as an alternative. But Saddam screamed: "Here!"

And no. I think we could have forced Saddam with other means.

But once Bush had committed, Schröder/Chirac/Putin had him. They knew he could not back down. They needed only convince Saddam he was safe.
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ItAin'tFree said:
I don't think that at all. Terrorism as been around a long time. Since we have gone on the offensive, we've had better results inside our land. Of course every place can't say that, the weakest spot or the easiest for the terrorist to attack get hit quite often. But it's that way regardless of whatever US policy is. When the US speaks about human rights these days, keenly aware people will and do listen. Those swept up in over emotional feelings or those with leanings toward the terrorist won't. At least until the terrorists strike close to them. Then they choose either complete surrender, like Spain did for awhile, or they smarten up.
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Okay guys, this discussion is getting a bit repetitive, I think we all got each other's view. I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
hope they at least got a pat on the back followed by a "no hard feelings".
 
taliban guantanamo detainees site:.mil
https://www.google.com/search?q=tal...en-US:official&sa=X&tbs=qdr:m&ved=0CBwQpwUoBA

taliban guantanamo detainees site:.gov
https://www.google.com/search?q=tal....gov&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbs=qdr:m

The closest I can find is this from the WaPo republished on ebird.osd.mil:
Early Bird: At Guantanamo, 71 Detainees Will Get Parole-Style Hearings
from July 22
But based on the categories, the 71 men whose files will be reviewed include five Taliban members whose release is sought as part of an Afghanistan peace agreement.​

Istm, that having your file reviewed is somewhat different than having been released.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Interesting that the American media isn't reporting this but then again these terrorist promised to never do it again so no big deal I guess.:roll:
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Surely you've considered the possibility of some of these people actually being innocent.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
No I have not. Everyone in GITMO is a POW.
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And everyone burned in Salem was a witch.

You see, a lot of these people are in prison based solely on the word of someone else. A bounty was advertised for turning in "terrorists," and, well, I really want to take over my neighbors business...
 
Deuce said:
And everyone burned in Salem was a witch.

You see, a lot of these people are in prison based solely on the word of someone else. A bounty was advertised for turning in "terrorists," and, well, I really want to take over my neighbors business...
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Have any real evidence of that?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Interesting that the American media isn't reporting this but then again these terrorist promised to never do it again so no big deal I guess.:roll:
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Afaict, there's only ONE source reporting on this.

If it was done w/o Congressional approval, it was an impeachable offense.
Is it more likely in your opinion that Congress is giving Obama a pass on an impeachable offense or that a reporter made a mistake?

Is it more likely in your opinion that the Taliban have decided to avoid embarrassing the United States or that a reporter made a mistake?

Is it more likely that Congress decided not to make political hay out of Obama asking them to release these guys or that a reporter made a mistake?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Afaict, there's only ONE source reporting on this.

If it was done w/o Congressional approval, it was an impeachable offense.
Is it more likely in your opinion that Congress is giving Obama a pass on an impeachable offense or that a reporter made a mistake?

Is it more likely in your opinion that the Taliban have decided to avoid embarrassing the United States or that a reporter made a mistake?

Is it more likely that Congress decided not to make political hay out of Obama asking them to release these guys or that a reporter made a mistake?
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Time will tell I gues.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Bush let quite a few GITMO prisoners go that were the least dangerous and had the shakiest cases against them and many of those were later found to return to terrorism. What is left at GITMO is the worst of the worst.
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You can back up these claims with evidence, I assume?
 
Sanddune said:
Okay guys, this discussion is getting a bit repetitive, I think we all got each other's view. I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Well, yeah. This is a message board. People agree and disagree. It would get quit boring if everyone agreed on everything, wouldn't it?
 
Higgins86 said:
hope they at least got a pat on the back followed by a "no hard feelings".
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"Hard feelings" from discussing issues with people? That sounds very liberal.
 
Andalublue said:
You can back up these claims with evidence, I assume?
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So you don't remember the crap Bush caught for releasing GITMO prisoners that ended up being terrorist again or you never even heard of it in the first place. Either way you are not worth my time. Do a little home work before attempting an intelligent conversation, get at least a tiny bit informed.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
So you don't remember the crap Bush caught for releasing GITMO prisoners that ended up being terrorist again or you never even heard of it in the first place. Either way you are not worth my time. Do a little home work before attempting an intelligent conversation, get at least a tiny bit informed.
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So, that's a 'no'. If you had the evidence you'd have shown it. I remember all that being said; I don't remember it being proved. It would appear that a maximum of 6 ex-GITMO detainees have been 'confirmed' (which appears to fall short of being 'proved') to have returned to the battlefield.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism

As usual you debate with BS assertions thinking that you won't get called out.
 
Andalublue said:
So, that's a 'no'. If you had the evidence you'd have shown it. I remember all that being said; I don't remember it being proved. It would appear that a maximum of 6 ex-GITMO detainees have been 'confirmed' (which appears to fall short of being 'proved') to have returned to the battlefield.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism

As usual you debate with BS assertions thinking that you won't get called out.
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So you ran to Wiki in a desperate search to justify your lack of knowledge on a subject.:lol: By the way, why do so many of you libs pretend to be cons, what's the game here?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
So you ran to Wiki in a desperate search to justify your lack of knowledge on a subject.:lol: By the way, why do so many of you libs pretend to be cons, what's the game here?
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Wiki proves very little, just that it proves you haven't provided anything to back up your spouting of BS. Nada.

I am quite conservative in many respects although over here there's no need to believe that creation took place in 6 days, that life begins at conception and that the poor are there to service the rich in order to be seen as conservative.

Nah! I'm sh**ing ya. I change my lean all the time to mess with your head. You're about #7 to get all whiny about it.
 
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