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Secret Sex Tape: Monica Lewinsky Caught On Explicit Recording Telling Bill Clinton, ‘

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So wait, what you're saying is that if these fictional people with better credentials than Hillary don't rise hire than her, it's because she benefited from her husband? Lol. What utter nonsense. The world is filled with geniuses who didn't accomplish much other than get their names in the papers once or twice. That they haven't become more successful than less intelligent people is not proof that the more successful but less intelligent took some short of shortcut to their success. Your argument is just a new form of penis envy. Only now it's more depressing because it's directed at a woman.
Oh, Lordy. Forgive me for directing this toward a woman. Heaven forfend that I should hold a woman to the same standards as I would a man. Penis envy? Really? The people I have in mind, that I do know BTW, are not less intelligent. They just don't covet the highest office in the land, and for good reason. And intelligence is not the main qualifier anyway. It's how that intelligence is directed, and that makes more difference than the much esteemed IQ to start with. I've read your posts, and you already know this. Yes. Hillary has benefited from her husband's tenure as president. I'm sorry if that offends you, but it's true none the less. For her sake, I almost wish it wasn't so. She has Bill to overcome in some respects.
 
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Oh, Lordy. Forgive me for directing this toward a woman. Heaven forfend that I should hold a woman to the same standards as I would a man.

Only you don't have the same standard for women as you do men. You have a different standard for some women who you dislike. :shrug: It's new age male chauvinism. You've demonstrated it over and over again. Regardless of the fact that Hillary Clinton has displayed in spades that she can be successful in many fields, you're still claiming she couldn't have become a senator without her husband. Nonsense. She could have. If anything, it seems as if the reason he's successful is because she was there every single step of the way.
 
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Only you don't have the same standard for women as you do men. You have a different standard for some women who you dislike. :shrug: It's new age male chauvinism. You've demonstrated it over and over again. Regardless of the fact that Hillary Clinton has displayed in spades that she can be successful in many fields, you're still claiming she couldn't have become a senator without her husband. Nonsense. She could have. If anything, it seems as if the reason he's successful is because she was there every single step of the way.
Oh, I'm not a Hillary fan. That's true. But that's not because she's a woman. It's not new age chauvinism or some prejudice that you'd like for it to be. I don't like her policies. I'm conservative, and she's not. It's really that simple. And yes, you can claim she may have been a senator, or whatever, without Bill. The fact is, she didn't do any of those things without him, and she had every reason in the world to ditch him. She didn't. You can say she stood by her man. I can say she stood by her political ace in the hole. Bill Clinton was a very popular president.
 
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Only you don't have the same standard for women as you do men. You have a different standard for some women who you dislike. :shrug: It's new age male chauvinism. You've demonstrated it over and over again. Regardless of the fact that Hillary Clinton has displayed in spades that she can be successful in many fields, you're still claiming she couldn't have become a senator without her husband. Nonsense. She could have. If anything, it seems as if the reason he's successful is because she was there every single step of the way.

That is pure nonsense. Playing the gender card for Hillary is like playing the race card for Obama; simply an excuse to deny ligitimate disagrement with their extremely liberal nuge nanny state policy positions.
 
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That is pure nonsense. Playing the gender card for Hillary is like playing the race card for Obama; simply an excuse to deny ligitimate disagrement with their extremely liberal nuge nanny state policy positions.

Wait, you're saying that saying she's a capable person who didn't rely on other people to succeed is the "gender card"? Are you just making things up as you go now?
 
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Oh, I'm not a Hillary fan. That's true. But that's not because she's a woman. It's not new age chauvinism or some prejudice that you'd like for it to be. I don't like her policies. I'm conservative, and she's not. It's really that simple. And yes, you can claim she may have been a senator, or whatever, without Bill. The fact is, she didn't do any of those things without him, and she had every reason in the world to ditch him. She didn't. You can say she stood by her man. I can say she stood by her political ace in the hole. Bill Clinton was a very popular president.

She's not the only successful woman to not leave a cheating husband. If the tables weren't turned, he wouldn't be the first man to leave a cheating wife. happens every day. :Shrug:
 
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Wait, you're saying that saying she's a capable person who didn't rely on other people to succeed is the "gender card"? Are you just making things up as you go now?

Obviously a great deal of Hillary's political popularity was gained by the association with her ex-president huband and their common big money connections. That does not mean that she is not capable, just that she had advantages of being in with the politcal insiders.
 
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Obviously a great deal of Hillary's political popularity was gained by the association with her ex-president huband and their common big money connections. That does not mean that she is not capable, just that she had advantages of being in with the politcal insiders.

No, no. You didn't answer my question. Are you saying that saying a woman is capable of succeeding without her husband is playing the "gender card"? Is that how far into the stupid we've come?

It's simple. Read Hillary's biography. She was making money on her own and forging political connections before he even came into the picture.
 
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She's not the only successful woman to not leave a cheating husband. If the tables weren't turned, he wouldn't be the first man to leave a cheating wife. happens every day. :Shrug:
Yeah. Politics at that level is really a cut throat business and I don't envy those who choose to play. Hillary may well have succeeded without Bill, but we'll never know. I look at Huma Abedin and wonder if she's really willing to endure what this has obviously cost her personally. It has to suck, as I'm certain it did for Hillary. If Hillary runs and wins, maybe it'll all be worth it for her. Wouldn't be for me, but I'm not looking for what she is. I'm quite happy where I am doing what I do. I wish Bill and Hillary well, but I probably won't be voting for them. Unless the political right runs Bob Dole again. Then all bets are off.
 
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No, no. You didn't answer my question. Are you saying that saying a woman is capable of succeeding without her husband is playing the "gender card"? Is that how far into the stupid we've come?

It's simple. Read Hillary's biography. She was making money on her own and forging political connections before he even came into the picture.

You made the assertion that a different standard was applied to Hillary becuase of her gender, in the post to which I had orginally replied. I simply said that many say that about Obama and his race. Both gender and race are used to attempt to paint those with legitimate policy disagreements as having more devious and sinister motives.
 
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Lets not forget the Senate had 51 democrats who saw the political witch hunt for what it really was and so did the majority of the country when they re-elected him.

I never said he was a victim. It's undisputable that he lied under oath...but he also lied to and shamed everyone who trusted and stood up for him including his wife, his staff and his vice president. I doubt Al Gore will ever fully forgive him for that....


"....The tensions that seem to invariably sour relationships between presidents and vice presidents by the end emerged in the Clinton White House, building to the moment when Mr. Gore made clear to associates his revulsion after learning that Mr. Clinton had had an affair with an intern.

Mr. Gore confronted Mr. Clinton in the Oval Office after Mr. Gore ran for president in 2000 and lost the electoral vote to George W. Bush on a ruling by the Supreme Court. In the course of a brutal one-hour exchange, aides to both men said, Mr. Gore blamed Mr. Clinton for his loss — suggesting that he had been dragged down by the burden of Mr. Clinton’s impeachment proceedings — and Mr. Clinton angrily attacked Mr. Gore for distancing himself from Mr. Clinton and his record.

Mr. Gore avoided appearing with Mr. Clinton in the first years after his defeat, and was viewed in Clinton circles as implicitly supporting Mr. Obama in his competition last year with Mrs. Clinton — though one associate of Mr. Clinton said the former president was appreciative in the end that Mr. Gore had sat it out...."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/us/politics/06gore.html?_r=0

I guess I'll take that part of the article you posted as fact and use it to support my argument. Reading the clip, it looks like (at least at the time) Mr Gore didn't think it was a "witch hunt" and the slick willies lack of positive character was the problem. But you are correct, the majority of the country did reelected that scum. The lies, the attacks. the spin, the MSM, plenty of stupid voters all bought into the fable that Clintons problems were the result of his private sex life. It wasn't. It was perjury. Not the first nor the last time American voters have been fooled or proven themselves stupid.
 
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I guess I'll take that part of the article you posted as fact and use it to support my argument. Reading the clip, it looks like (at least at the time) Mr Gore didn't think it was a "witch hunt" and the slick willies lack of positive character was the problem....
Not quite. Yes, Gore stood by Clinton during the witch hunt...until he found out Clinton had been lying to him, too. After that he got very angry and didn't talk to Clinton for over a year....

According to AP article....."the relationship between Clinton and Gore apparently had already deteriorated badly; they had barely spoken in a year...."during the one-on-one meeting at the White House, which lasted more than an hour, Gore used uncommonly blunt language to tell Clinton that his sex scandal and low personal approval ratings were a hurdle he could not surmount in his campaign...[with] the core of the dispute was Clinton's lies to Gore and the nation about his affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky."
Corpus Christi Caller Times Caller.com - Clinton and Gore have it out

But you are correct, the majority of the country did reelected that scum. The lies, the attacks. the spin, the MSM, plenty of stupid voters all bought into the fable that Clintons problems were the result of his private sex life. It wasn't. It was perjury. Not the first nor the last time American voters have been fooled or proven themselves stupid
After a solid year of Ken Starr looking for something...anything bad to pin on Clinton the country was fully aware that it was a political witch hunt and got sick and tired of the GOP titallating themselves with Clintons escapades and voted accordingly.
 
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Republican family values. You gotta love it.

Honestly. If the right wing nut jobs would have gone after Clinton for a potential national security breach (he set himself up to be bribed), then fine. This entire moral witch hunt was total bull****.

What a bizarre response to my post, which had nothing to do with what you're talking about. Should I assume that you are somehow unfamiliar with the sexual harassment laws passed during the Clinton admins?
 
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Isn't that just a little too convenient that a "secret copy" suddenly surfaces just in time for the Weiner controversy?

Like Weiner needs help.
 
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And just what does Bill Clinton's actions have to do with Hillary's? Oh yeah, NOTHING. Nice smear job from the right.

Really, nothing?
 
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And just what does Bill Clinton's actions have to do with Hillary's? Oh yeah, NOTHING. Nice smear job from the right.

By the way...the smear job came from the left on this one.

Just sayin.
 
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Like Weiner needs help.

Huh???
 
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What, "exactly"?
 
Re: Secret Sex Tape: Monica Lewinsky Caught On Explicit Recording Telling Bill Clinto

What, "exactly"?

Not understanding...that exactly.
 
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This is a ****ing outrage! Impeach him!
Bill Clinton isn't president, anymore!! Let's impeach Barack Obama instead! He's a liberal too, so it's all good!

"But Dooble! on what charges"?

Oh, we have to actually kick him out of office before we can find out what the charges are!
 
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ROTFLOL...

It's relevant... because The Clintons hate having Bill's perjuring himself come back up and remind folks he was impeached, fined and disbarred. He should have been removed from office and thrown in jail. Scooter Libby didn't lie under oath, he was not the leaker (and Kennedy knew it), and he got real time.

It's nice to remind folks, especially those who were too young or were unborn who these dregs called The Clintons really are.

You think that a president who lied about getting a BJ in the oval office should be impeached? Maybe his wife should divorce him, maybe any woman who is ever involved with him should think twice about marrying him, but impeach him for it? I have always been disturbed that Americans think the sex life of a political figure matters at all and is any of their business. And many, in the same breath, would be marching on washington with pitchfork in hand if information about their sex life got them fired from their job.
 
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I was glad he was impeached. He lied to me. He lied directly to my face, and I don't care what the lie was about. It wasn't about the bj; it was about the lie.
 
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Bill Clinton isn't president, anymore!! Let's impeach Barack Obama instead! He's a liberal too, so it's all good!

"But Dooble! on what charges"?

Oh, we have to actually kick him out of office before we can find out what the charges are!

Failing to submit a budget is enough. Dereliction of Constitutionally defined duties. Beyond that, general managerial incompetence and complete dishonesty.
 
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Not understanding...that exactly.
Apparently you didn't understand my post when you resonded with "Like Weiner needs help", either.
 
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