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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    No need to wonder what was destroyed if any of you are willing to do so much at 30 seconds of google searching...

    According to the government, Halliburton recommended to BP that the Macondo well contain 21 centralizers, metal collars that can improve cementing, but BP chose to use six.

    The government said that, during an internal probe into the cementing after the blowout, Halliburton ordered workers to destroy computer simulations that showed little difference between using six and 21 centralizers.


    Halliburton Pleads Guilty To Destroying Gulf Oil Spill Evidence

    A centralizer is nothing more than a ring that helps to guide a pipe down so that it can place something more precisely, in this case, the pipe that was to pump the cement down into the well. 21 of them would have allowed the cementing to be more precise, but of course, at the cost of a lot more time spent installing the centralizers.

    My guess is that the government overreached in this case...the simulations weren't really germane to identify a cause or causes for the blowout, since they indicated that 6 vs. 21 centralizers wouldn't have compromised safety. But anything related to the disaster becomes evidence, and since Halliburton got rid of this information, it makes them appear that they are hiding something.

    Also, they are on the hook for a 200k dollar fine, and volunteered to donate $55,000,000 to National Fish and Wildlife Foundation.
    Hey Chuck! Nice to see someone with some expertise chime in.

    You know it how goes brotha, "Haliburton" is synonymous with the "devil" in some people's twisted perception. Skimmed through the final investigation report a while back, didn't really dig too deep cause the conclusions matched up with what I initially suspected.

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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's not my fault you cant deal with the truth..

    I have more respect for socialists that admit they're socialists rather than closet socialists such as yourself.

    Then again maybe you don't understand socialism?
    I tend not to engage hyperbole addicts like yourself however, I took the time to read this because well: I don't even know what a "closet socialist" is. Then again, you're the Libertarian who got so confused in his attempt to paint himself in the color of the founders that he basically agreed that owning people was okay. Which is - you know - in refutation of your raison d'etre. But please, please tell me you know what a "closet socialist" is. I'd love to hear what it is. Maybe it'll make more sense than why I should care that some jobless Libertarian with a hard on for Ayn-Rand doesn't respect me enough.
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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Hopefully this puts to rest the notion in people's brains that companies don't destroy evidence.
    Evidence of what exactly? I fail to see this as a legitimate charge unless Halliburton has been arguing, in the lawsuits filed against them by BP, that they offered a safer method of construction and BP declined or the Feds are pursuing a fraud case against them for marketing 21 as safer than 6. I'm not saying that no company ever destroys evidence but, on the surface, this wasn't evidence of anything.
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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Video @: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case - YouTube

    Halliburton getting caught to cover up its mess in the gulf oil spill case. Typical. Halliburton is one of the most corrupt companies out there and i personally believe they should be charged way way more for their actions. Disgusting.
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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I tend not to engage hyperbole addicts like yourself however, I took the time to read this because well: I don't even know what a "closet socialist" is. Then again, you're the Libertarian who got so confused in his attempt to paint himself in the color of the founders that he basically agreed that owning people was okay. Which is - you know - in refutation of your raison d'etre. But please, please tell me you know what a "closet socialist" is. I'd love to hear what it is. Maybe it'll make more sense than why I should care that some jobless Libertarian with a hard on for Ayn-Rand doesn't respect me enough.
    I take it Ayn doesn't have the same effect on you ... anyway, I'm curious about the response you'll get, but I suspect it means that you're really a socialist but won't admit it ... kinda like Obama ... cons say he's really a socialist ... a closet socialist ...

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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I wonder what the payoff is, because no one knows exactly how the blowout happened.
    Yes we do. We knew this very early on.

    A high concentration of hydrates began flowing up the pipe. This caused alarm and the emergency BOP control was activated, but the BOP itself failed to execute, allowing the hydrates up the pipe, which then exploded at sea-level air-pressure and temperature, killing 11 instantly. Secondary fires spread rapidly, compromising the structure of the rig, causing it to sink.

    Encountering hydrates is typical, not surprising at all. What was different was how concentrated this deposit of hydrates were, which was still predicted given the depth they were drilling to. It was expected.

    Halliburton's part in this is that it was Halliburton's responsibility to maintain the BOP. It was a Halliburton BOP, it had failed inspections and was used anyway. Halliburton knew about this in advance but let it slide. Had Halliburton properly maintained the BOP then we would never have heard of the Deepwater Horizon.

    BP is also culpable because they knew the BOP failed inspection. Transocean, the owner of the rig, may not have known about the BOP because they simply build and lease rigs to companies who then go out and drill. It's like renting a truck from Enterprise and then not properly securing a load; Enterprise doesn't monitor your activities, they just lease you the truck.

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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes we do. We knew this very early on.

    A high concentration of hydrates began flowing up the pipe. This caused alarm and the emergency BOP control was activated, but the BOP itself failed to execute, allowing the hydrates up the pipe, which then exploded at sea-level air-pressure and temperature, killing 11 instantly. Secondary fires spread rapidly, compromising the structure of the rig, causing it to sink.

    Encountering hydrates is typical, not surprising at all. What was different was how concentrated this deposit of hydrates were, which was still predicted given the depth they were drilling to. It was expected.

    Halliburton's part in this is that it was Halliburton's responsibility to maintain the BOP. It was a Halliburton BOP, it had failed inspections and was used anyway. Halliburton knew about this in advance but let it slide. Had Halliburton properly maintained the BOP then we would never have heard of the Deepwater Horizon.

    BP is also culpable because they knew the BOP failed inspection. Transocean, the owner of the rig, may not have known about the BOP because they simply build and lease rigs to companies who then go out and drill. It's like renting a truck from Enterprise and then not properly securing a load; Enterprise doesn't monitor your activities, they just lease you the truck.
    Thr BOP stack doesn't control the casing, so if the pressure kick vame up between the casing, there's no way the BOP would have stopped the blow out.

    Also, the story has been all along that they were trying to weigh down a gas kick with sea water vice heavy weight mud.
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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Thr BOP stack doesn't control the casing, so if the pressure kick vame up between the casing, there's no way the BOP would have stopped the blow out.
    The concrete wall itself never failed.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Also, the story has been all along that they were trying to weigh down a gas kick with sea water vice heavy weight mud.
    That was one of several attempts over the 3 months, yes.


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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes we do. We knew this very early on.

    A high concentration of hydrates began flowing up the pipe. This caused alarm and the emergency BOP control was activated, but the BOP itself failed to execute, allowing the hydrates up the pipe, which then exploded at sea-level air-pressure and temperature, killing 11 instantly. Secondary fires spread rapidly, compromising the structure of the rig, causing it to sink.

    Encountering hydrates is typical, not surprising at all. What was different was how concentrated this deposit of hydrates were, which was still predicted given the depth they were drilling to. It was expected.

    Halliburton's part in this is that it was Halliburton's responsibility to maintain the BOP. It was a Halliburton BOP, it had failed inspections and was used anyway. Halliburton knew about this in advance but let it slide. Had Halliburton properly maintained the BOP then we would never have heard of the Deepwater Horizon.

    BP is also culpable because they knew the BOP failed inspection. Transocean, the owner of the rig, may not have known about the BOP because they simply build and lease rigs to companies who then go out and drill. It's like renting a truck from Enterprise and then not properly securing a load; Enterprise doesn't monitor your activities, they just lease you the truck.
    Sort of incorrect. The BOP was owned by Transocean and they were responsible for it maintenance. Haliburton was contracted for the well casing.

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    Re: Halliburton admits guilt in Gulf spill case

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The concrete wall itself never failed.


    That was one of several attempts over the 3 months, yes.

    It's cement, not concrete and I worked in the oil and gas business in south Louisiana and I don't recall Halliburton owning BOP's.
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