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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So slaves are kosher(Ephesians 6:4-6, Psalm 123:2, Titus 2:9)? Women not allowed to speak in church(1 Corinthians 14:34)? All rich men are going to hell (Matthew 19:24)? Women shouldnt wear earrings or braid their hair (l Timothy 2:9 )? Tattoos are sin (Leviticus 19:28)? Rape is cool as long as you pay the father and then marry your victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)?
    Love it when people attack the Bible by taking things out of their literary and historical contexts.....

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I like you Digsbe, but Tutu is a better man than you'll ever be.
    Why? Because he supports something his religion see's as sin? Because he was able to speak out against apartheid? It makes him no better than anyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Your self righteousness towards homosexuality will earn you some flack, for the Jesus I know, looks down upon such things.
    Calling out sin as sin is neither self-righteous or wrong. Stating the truth according to his religious following is part of freedom of religion.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I like you Digsbe, but Tutu is a better man than you'll ever be.

    Your self righteousness towards homosexuality will earn you some flack, for the Jesus I know, looks down upon such things.
    Mis-characterization of the post, and of Jesus.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There is no need for that.

    Pride doesn't have to be belligerent.

    You don't see me screaming that I'm a proud libertarian everyday or acknowledging that I am for no reason.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What if someone is not gay, but they want to shove gayness in your face?
    It depends on how they're doing it..

    If they're aggressive towards me I will knock them out - as I would any individual that is aggressive towards me.

    I don't go out and look for trouble but many single issue idiots do.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Who the hell is Desmond Tutu?

    I've always been opposed to homosexuality - not my cup of tea however I've never understood gay hate or the anti-gay radicalism..

    OK, people are gay, just don't shove your gayness in my face and everything will be cool.
    All this is is a civil right's has been wanting to retain relevance.....
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Wow. And what is your Nobel Prize in? Whether you agree with his opinions or politics, Tutu is a world figure to whom people do listen.
    He received the nobel peace prize. the same nobel peace prize Obama won. The nobel peace prize is the least prestigious of all Nobel prizes really. It's been bastardized beyond belief. You literally have to do nothing to earn it in most cases.

    But anyway. I'm not discounting him as a human being. I'm sure he's a good guy and means well. I am discounting him as a public figure of any particular influence. What he says is of no relevance. Or should be of no relevance. If you choose to invest this man with your confidence, and make his words mean something to you, fine. But don't expect the same from the rest of us who don't care what desmond tutu has to say about anything because by default, he's irrelevant.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    All this is is a civil right's has been wanting to retain relevance.....
    I suppose we're all different in one way or another - why should we have to promote our differences as a species?

    I don't feel any need or any want to throw my differences in anyones face in an attempt to justify my life.

    These "gay pride" folk are assholes and IMO are doing nothing more than stigmatizing gays...

    I'm sure there are many gay people that would agree with me.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    God decides it, and it's clear in the Bible to those who aren't going to read it with a filter or desire to justify bad behavior.

    Also, God did impose a theocratic regime for a purpose, the Jewish people were to be a beacon of truth before the world as those who follow the One True God. God's plan was not to institute that forever but to have it end when Jesus came to earth. Also, slavery in Biblical times is not the same slavery that we have had in recent times, people contracted themselves to be slaves which was largely more so like a butler/servant. Regardless though, those points have no bearing when it comes to the fact that Biblically speaking, homosexual sex is a sin and will be judged by God as a sin, what humans think about it is irrelevant because the law is absolute.
    with all the stoning and putting people to death in the Bible, it's a wonder there are any human beings left to inhabit the planet ...

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    He received the nobel peace prize. the same nobel peace prize Obama won. The nobel peace prize is the least prestigious of all Nobel prizes really. It's been bastardized beyond belief. You literally have to do nothing to earn it in most cases.

    But anyway. I'm not discounting him as a human being. I'm sure he's a good guy and means well. I am discounting him as a public figure of any particular influence. What he says is of no relevance. Or should be of no relevance. If you choose to invest this man with your confidence, and make his words mean something to you, fine. But don't expect the same from the rest of us who don't care what desmond tutu has to say about anything because by default, he's irrelevant.
    We can agree that the Nobel Peace Prize has been cheapened in recent years. Tutu was awarded it, however, in 1984. Now he is 82, retired, and more opinionated in the way old men often are--and are perhaps entitled to be, even if you disagree with his opinions.

    I find it strange that because I stated the obvious, that Tutuís opinions do have influence on many, you assumed that I have "invested this man with my confidence."

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