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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    God decides it, and it's clear in the Bible to those who aren't going to read it with a filter or desire to justify bad behavior.

    Also, God did impose a theocratic regime for a purpose, the Jewish people were to be a beacon of truth before the world as those who follow the One True God. God's plan was not to institute that forever but to have it end when Jesus came to earth. Also, slavery in Biblical times is not the same slavery that we have had in recent times, people contracted themselves to be slaves which was largely more so like a butler/servant. Regardless though, those points have no bearing when it comes to the fact that Biblically speaking, homosexual sex is a sin and will be judged by God as a sin, what humans think about it is irrelevant because the law is absolute.
    So slaves are kosher(Ephesians 6:4-6, Psalm 123:2, Titus 2:9)? Women not allowed to speak in church(1 Corinthians 14:34)? All rich men are going to hell (Matthew 19:24)? Women shouldnt wear earrings or braid their hair (l Timothy 2:9 )? Tattoos are sin (Leviticus 19:28)? Rape is cool as long as you pay the father and then marry your victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)?


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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Or, maybe he's more of a politician than a bishop.
    Or maybe he is just a bishop with a different POV than the vast majority of bishops.


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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Most churches don't allow adulterers and murderers in the door, either.
    I think you'll find they do:

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’ but I say to you, that everyone who looks on a woman to lust for her has committed adultery with her already in his heart”

    And are you really equating homosexuality and murder?
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I think you'll find they do:

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’ but I say to you, that everyone who looks on a woman to lust for her has committed adultery with her already in his heart”

    And are you really equating homosexuality and murder?
    A sin is a sin. You said it yourself.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Or maybe he is just a bishop with a different POV than the vast majority of bishops.
    Or, maybe he's more concerned with pushing a political agenda than his faith?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Or, maybe he's more concerned with pushing a political agenda than his faith?
    If Tutu is a "politician" therefore then i guess every bishop is then to because they both have views that interact with politics then right?


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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A sin is a sin. You said it yourself.
    Fair enough. So churches shouldn't let anyone in because of the Original Sin?
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So slaves are kosher(Ephesians 6:4-6, Psalm 123:2, Titus 2:9)? Women not allowed to speak in church(1 Corinthians 14:34)? All rich men are going to hell (Matthew 19:24)? Women shouldnt wear earrings or braid their hair (l Timothy 2:9 )? Tattoos are sin (Leviticus 19:28)? Rape is cool as long as you pay the father and then marry your victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)?
    Don't forget the verses that cost millions of Jews their lives: Matthew 27:24-25 and John 7.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    I tend to agree. If my God is a God who dislikes someone base on who they are attracted to, and who they love then i would not like to be in that place with a god that is supposedly "all knowing and all loving" .[/INDENT]
    Of course I would prefer Hell if there was a homophobic heaven. There'd be awesome parties down there.
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Desmond Tutu is a fine human being.

    I totally agree with him.

    I would rather sit next to him in hell than be in a heaven ruled over by a God who hates some of the people that He made.




    "Man has created God in his own image: Intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent." ~ Marie
    God does not "hate" his creation. He does however hate sin. When people sin they are abandoning God and his teaching. As was pointed out by Digsbe, All sexual morality is sin. Homosexuality is part of that.

    I agree that we are not supposed to persecute people, but we are to avoid sin. So while we should not condemn or belittle homosexuals, we must not condone the sin. I would no more condone it than adultery or fornication.
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