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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    That is the whole point Your Star. It was and is about believing and doing the right thing according to God's law.
    So someone who lives a good life, who is good to the people around them, gives to charity, volunteers in their community, and in essence follows all of Christ's teachings, yet is an atheist is going to hell? How does that make sense? How does that come from a loving and caring God? It seems so petty, and so wrong.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

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    We may be. We however have faith in Christ's teachings. I will err on the side of God & Christ every time.
    No, you will err on what you were taught to be Christ, and God's teachings, big difference.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

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    If they are told to bar them from their homes and not even offer a greeting, food, etc? Do you think God's house would be any more appropriate?
    Actually, yeah. You don't eat or sleep or live in god's house, you go there to worship, the very thing a lost sinner would need to see the most.

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    1 Corinthians 5:1–8 5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
    So ... murder Oedipus? Did I read that right?

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    9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.
    12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”[/b]
    This actually seems to contradict your point, when we're talking about sinners who are not part of the body of Christ.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So someone who lives a good life, who is good to the people around them, gives to charity, volunteers in their community, and in essence follows all of Christ's teachings, yet is an atheist is going to hell? How does that make sense? How does that come from a loving and caring God? It seems so petty, and so wrong.
    That's exactly why I'm an apatheist.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So someone who lives a good life, who is good to the people around them, gives to charity, volunteers in their community, and in essence follows all of Christ's teachings, yet is an atheist is going to hell? How does that make sense? How does that come from a loving and caring God? It seems so petty, and so wrong.
    It is what Jesus himself said...

    "Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

    “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
    Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”


    I do not know the mind of God outside of what the Bible teaches. So all I can say is have faith and follow the teachings.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

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    Actually, yeah. You don't eat or sleep or live in god's house, you go there to worship, the very thing a lost sinner would need to see the most.
    That is not what the Bible says.

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    So ... murder Oedipus? Did I read that right?
    Hehehe! No. Cast him from among the congregation for his sexual immorality.

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    This actually seems to contradict your point, when we're talking about sinners who are not part of the body of Christ.
    It means we are to judge the actions of Christians and leave the outside to it's own devices and let God judge them.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    It is what Jesus himself said...

    "Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

    “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
    Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”


    I do not know the mind of God outside of what the Bible teaches. So all I can say is have faith and follow the teachings.
    Yeah, the "believe this, or you will spend an eternity in hell" is a good way to get followers for your religion, but not something I think God would actually do. Especially when religion is run by people, and trusting people for others salvation makes no sense.

    Also you can't trust everything from the Bible, it was written by people, thousands of years ago, in 3 different languages from oral traditions, and edited over and over again. I can't believe that God would send one to hell for all eternity for not believing in a book with that many flaws.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Hehehe! No. Cast him from among the congregation for his sexual immorality.
    I'm really not kidding. I don't see any other way to read "deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh." This is why I'm far more interested in what Jesus did than what he said, and why I'm far more interested in what he said than what his followers said.


    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    It means we are to judge the actions of Christians and leave the outside to it's own devices and let God judge them.
    So then you are not to judge them. If you can't judge them, how are you to decide to bar the way in to the church?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

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    No, you will err on what you were taught to be Christ, and God's teachings, big difference.
    I have no idea what you mean? What big difference? I can read scripture for myself and come to my own conclusion. So yes I go strictly by the word as handed down.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    I have no idea what you mean? What big difference? I can read scripture for myself and come to my own conclusion. So yes I go strictly by the word as handed down.
    My point being that you can't really know what God wants, no matter how much you want too.
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