I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.
Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.
It depends on what you mean by "judge".
God judges who gets into heaven, not I.
God "judges" in the sense of giving blessings or punishment in life for who did this or that, not I.
However, if I (or whoever) points out that "The bible says that is a sin," that is not judgment. I'm not pulling this out of my pocket, this is Biblical stuff.
As for whether X-person-who-does-Y is welcome in The Church of Z, as I mentioned there are some differing schools of thought on that... one of which Black Manta is talking about, where there is emphasis on the Biblical injunctions to "suffer not such a one among you", "light has no fellowship with darkness", and so on. There's another side which promotes more engagement and some of what you're saying is similar to what that side says, about Jesus' hanging out with sinners, "the son of man has come to save that which is lost", and so on.
I'm just pointing out that there are different viewpoints on this, that both sides have theological arguments, and that "judging" isn't really the issue here.
Fiddling While Rome Burns
Carthago Delenda Est
"I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."
"Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run
Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.
If god is a bigot, creates people gay, and then punishes them for being the way he made them, then god is an evil sadist and the universe is an awful place. If god creates people, creates them flawed, and then punishes them for being flawed, then god is an evil sadist and the universe is an awful place. If god knows everything, and sets up tests for us, then he already knows whether or not we will pass, and has essentially decided already what will happen, because he creates us and creates us a certain way, and then punishes us for failing tests that he designed us to fail and already knew whether or not we would fail before decided to test us, then god is an evil sadist and the universe is an awful place.
An omniscient creator who judges and punishes us for being the way he made us means that there is absolutely no change for free will. At all. None. Zilch. The entire notion of "sin" and judgment is inherently flawed and unworthy of being the basis for any discussions of morality. Causing needless pain and suffering in people is immoral. Discriminating against and hurting gays because of... whatever... is wrong. End of discussion. No one should give a crap what some ancient book says about it. Especially one that employs such obvious logical fallacies and contradictions to justify its backwards and ignorant positions.
Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.
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When America is strong the world is calm, When America is weak tyrants and terrorist slaughter the meek. ~ SgtRock
Pot meet kettle.
Revelation 2:16-18: 16 ‘So turn away from your sins! If you don’t, I will come to you soon. I will fight against those people with the sword that comes out of my mouth.
2 John 1:10 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting
Romans 16:1717 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
It's pretty clear.
Last edited by Black Dog; 07-27-13 at 11:18 PM.
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