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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

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    Those which don't aren't Christian churches.
    So unrepentant sinners that we are as Christians told in no uncertain terms to keep a distance from, should now be allowed in to show we are Christian? Sorry that is ridicules.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

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    If you knew about biblical interpretation in ancient Hebrew, the context of where these passages are located, and historical context, you would know this. I guess they don't teach this kind of accuracy in those fire and brimstone churches.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

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    He is correct. Only sex involving penetration by the male phallus or sodomy is considered a sin in the OT. Lesbianism is not even mentioned in the OT.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    So unrepentant sinners that we are as Christians told in no uncertain terms to keep a distance from, should now be allowed in to show we are Christian? Sorry that is ridicules.
    Sin isn't a matter for men to judge, repentance or no repentance. I thought the Bible was pretty clear about that.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Sin isn't a matter for men to judge, repentance or no repentance. I thought the Bible was pretty clear about that.

    that's about personal judgment, not about using the Bible itself to point out that the Word says "that is a sin"... otherwise there would be little point in preachers...

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    that's about personal judgment, not about using the Bible itself to point out that the Word says "that is a sin"... otherwise there would be little point in preachers...
    Yes, and deciding whether or not someone is unrepentant or undeserving of entrance to a church is precisely that -- personal judgement.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Yes, and deciding whether or not someone is unrepentant or undeserving of entrance to a church is precisely that -- personal judgement.


    Sigh. There's actually a very long and complicated and nuanced discussion involved there, which involves balancing scriptural admonitions to "be ye separate", "come ye out from among them", and "have no fellowship with darkness", vs engagement and so on.... but the short version is "no, it is actually a theological question not a personal judgment one'....

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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sigh. There's actually a very long and complicated and nuanced discussion involved there, which involves balancing scriptural admonitions to "be ye separate", "come ye out from among them", and "have no fellowship with darkness", vs engagement and so on.... but the short version is "no, it is actually a theological question not a personal judgment one'....
    Calling something sin is definitely a theological question. The rest of it is not. Furthermore, it would seem to me that someone whose relationship with god is not healthy (or at least not as healthy) is just the kind of someone a church would welcome with open arms, since that's exactly the kind of person Jesus would have tried to embrace and heal, no?
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Yes, and deciding whether or not someone is unrepentant or undeserving of entrance to a church is precisely that -- personal judgement.
    That is not what you said...

    Those which don't aren't Christian churches. - TacticalEvilDan

    You are confusing sinner with unrepentant sinner. We are all sinners, so that is not the point. Someone for instance who is an adulterer, who is not sorry and does not wish to ask forgiveness and will continue to live this way has abandoned Christ and his church. This has nothing to do with sitting in judgement. The Bible is clear. Now if this person was willing to ask forgiveness he/she would be welcomed back.

    So again your view is ridicules.
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    Re: Desmond Tutu Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Calling something sin is definitely a theological question. The rest of it is not. Furthermore, it would seem to me that someone whose relationship with god is not healthy (or at least not as healthy) is just the kind of someone a church would welcome with open arms, since that's exactly the kind of person Jesus would have tried to embrace and heal, no?
    We are not Jesus. We try to emulate, but we are not him. We are not perfect or expected to be. This is why he died for us. How can you heal someone who wants to remain sick? They can in turn infect others.

    This is why the Bible tells us literally to separate from the world and those people.

    We are by your standards to accept devil worshipers. No, it is just stupid.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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