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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It will be interesting to see the solution to this. :
    Iirc, the OH judge decided that since OH recognizes other out of state marriages which could not be performed in OH, (like between 1st cousins and the marriage of minors, etc) that OH couldn't decide to not recognize just the one kind of out of state marriage which could not be performed in OH.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Too many people haven't come to terms with the fact that they lost the culture war and they are in the twilight years of their struggle. Spiteful rear guard actions like this wont change the fact that gay marriage, like so many other things, is coming to a place near you.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    That's not even the issue.

    He just can't be buried next to another guy in that plot.

    Nothing is actually stopping him from being buried next to the other guy elsewhere.
    That's not even the issue. It's just a spiteful hate comment made by someone upthread.

    Correction: They need to be married in Ohio for him to be buried with his spouse, and Ohio is challenging the judge's decision in their favor.

    Buttheads.
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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    That's not even the issue. It's just a spiteful hate comment made by someone upthread.
    It seemed a pretty reasonable comment to me.

    I certainly don't consider spouses being buried separately as "unspeakably cruel".

    As I said though, the guy could just as easily be buried with his husband. He's the one who is basically choosing not to.

    How unspeakably cruel can it be when he's basically inflicting it upon himself?

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Interview transcript;

    Gay Marriage Activists Turn Focus On States That Ban It : NPR


    SMITH: The Ohio judge used an equal protection argument like the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to say that since Ohio already recognizes other kinds of out-of-state marriages that don't meet Ohio standards - for example, marriage of minors or first cousins - it's unfair for Ohio to only refuse out-of-state gay marriages. Al Gerhardstein is the couple's attorney.

    AL GERHARDSTEIN: I suspect there will be lots of places where same-sex couples could make this same argument. So no state ultimately may be free of this legal reasoning.

    SMITH: And once courts rule that states can't ignore gay marriages from other states, it may not be long before states are told they can't deny gay marriage in-state either.

    STEVEN SCHWINN: I do think it's kind of like a sequence of dominos.


    Further;


    Itís unclear why NPR felt it necessary to include Sprigg and Eastman in the story, and itís particularly troubling that it neglected to offer any context about their organizations or their beliefs. Peter Sprigg, notably, believes that gay people should either be imprisoned or kicked out of the country and is an outspoken advocate for harmful ex-gay therapy. FRC has been classified as a hate group specifically for promoting such dangerous rhetoric.

    A man is dying, but Sprigg and Eastman only care about maintaining anti-gay discrimination. If NPR is going to bother interviewing them, it should hold them accountable for the implications of their beliefs ó for couples like Obergefell and Arthur and others ó instead of giving them free reign to trivialize the situation. GLAADís Commentator Accountability Project provides helpful background about anti-LGBT pundits to help avoid allowing them to enjoy an unfiltered mainstream platform.

    Today, the judge in the case extended the temporary restraining order blocking Ohioís laws from applying to Arthurís death certificate for an additional two weeks to ensure the couple is protected as negotiations continue.


    NPR Invites Hate Group To Weigh In On Ohio Man's Marriage Recognition Death Wish | ThinkProgress

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    That's not even the issue.

    He just can't be buried next to another guy in that plot.

    Nothing is actually stopping him from being buried next to the other guy elsewhere.

    Sure he could. If he was buried next to a brother, uncle or even if his father was gay he could be buried next to a gay guy.


    From my under standing of the OP article, there is no restriction on two gays being buried next to each other.



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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    It seemed a pretty reasonable comment to me.

    I certainly don't consider spouses being buried separately as "unspeakably cruel".

    As I said though, the guy could just as easily be buried with his husband. He's the one who is basically choosing not to.

    How unspeakably cruel can it be when he's basically inflicting it upon himself?
    Is this like "the sequester is Obama's fault, because he didn't put down a mattress when the GOP started with the tantrums?"

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Sure he could. If he was buried next to a brother, uncle or even if his father was gay he could be buried next to a gay guy.


    From my under standing of the OP article, there is no restriction on two gays being buried next to each other.



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    Well, I'm talking about next to each other in that specific plot. It looks like only a spouse can be buried with the guy.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Sure he could. If he was buried next to a brother, uncle or even if his father was gay he could be buried next to a gay guy.


    From my under standing of the OP article, there is no restriction on two gays being buried next to each other.



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    He has to be his spouse to be buried in his spouse's family plot. This IS his spouse. A judge ruled this to be true. And Ohio chose to fight it, despise the fact that the man with the family plot is dying of Lou Gehrig's disease.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    Is this like "the sequester is Obama's fault, because he didn't put down a mattress when the GOP started with the tantrums?"
    I don't even know what that means but I guess it shows your maturity level.

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