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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    and by the way - the bright side is that it's states doing stupid stuff like this that will hasten the arrival of marriage equality everywhere. People in general aren't that nasty, aren't that cruel, and they can see how stupid rules like these are.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    They are lawfully married - in Massachusets. Therefore, they should be able to be buried next to each other - in Massachusetts.
    Fixed it for ya.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Just because you are dying doesn't mean you get to change the law. If SSM is not legal then his relationship is moot, they aren't "married" and the state is under no obligation to appeal to emotion and meet his wants before he dies.

    What I think is unspeakably cruel is the idea that this guy thinks he has a special sense of entitlement because he's about to die and as such disregard the law or force the state to do something that is not lawful.
    If I ever hear you open your mouth about "human rights" on this forum, I promise you, I'm going to go on a Zyphlin-style tirade calling bull****. It'll be fun to watch you squirm at this:

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    Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.


    Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.


    The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
    I want to see your mental acrobatics then.
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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If I ever hear you open your mouth about "human rights" on this forum, I promise you, I'm going to go on a Zyphlin-style tirade calling bull****. It'll be fun to watch you squirm at this:

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    I want to see your mental acrobatics then.
    Nice challenge, it seems your argument lacks a fundamental understanding on the definition of "marriage" though with the states being allowed to define it as man and woman or as between two people regardless of gender. Heck, they can even toss in polygamy if they want. Where is not allowing SSM discriminating somehow against race, nationality, or religion? The closest thing you could probably say is that it discriminates based on sex, but notice how your quote doesn't even list that (and even so that would be an overreaching argument to make). I'm not so sure I'm the one here that is going through mental acrobatics
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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    I object to the characterization of this story as "unspeakably cruel". The two men in question merely will be unable to be buried at the same plot at the cemetery in question; though we may differ on our definition of "cruel", it's hardly "unspeakable".
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    A completely dick move on the part of the Ohio DA, and some of the posts in this thread reek of self-righteous bigotry and homophobic hatred. For shame.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    People, people . . . pay attention to the facts, not one person has posted the correct place of the marriage between Jim Obergefell and John Arthur. It was Maryland, NOT Massachusetts.

    Ohio must recognize gay couple's marriage, judge rules

    — A federal judge in Ohio has ordered state officials there to recognize the Maryland marriage of a terminally ill gay Cincinnati man on his state death certificate.

    The man and his husband, who were wed in Maryland, where gay marriage is legal, expect he will die soon.
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    In his decision Monday, (U.S. District Judge Timothy S.) Black wrote that his order restraining the state from enforcing its laws applied to Arthur and Obergefell only, through Aug. 5 or as extended by the court. It will not affect Ohio or its other citizens, the order said.

    But Black also took aim at the state's current law, saying Arthur and Obergefell were "not currently accorded the same dignity and recognition as similarly situated opposite-sex couples" in Ohio.

    Black referred to the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision overturning the federal law banning federal recognition of same-sex marriages performed in states where they are legal, and he challenged the notion that Ohio could pick and choose which out-of-state marriages to recognize — even among those that would be illegal in Ohio.

    Black found that Ohio recognized opposite-sex marriages between first cousins and minors that are legally performed in other states, though they are otherwise illegal in Ohio.
    That finding by the Judge in regards to other marriages that are illegal in Ohio but recognised by Ohio if said "illegal" marriages are performed in other states, is the one which will stop Ohio's Attorney General.
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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Not all Ohio Republicans are homophobes

    A prominent Ohio Republican and former Cabinet member of Gov. John Kasich’s administration said Monday he supports an effort to overturn the state’s ban on same-sex marriage, contending the prohibition fosters intolerance and creates a roadblock to diversity.

    Jim Petro, a former attorney general and state chancellor of higher education, has a daughter who is gay. She and her wife, who live in Massachusetts, are expecting their first child this fall.

    “I believe in marriage equality, and I believe Ohio will be better and have better prospects for economic growth and prosperity if we did not have restrictive language in our Constitution as [the ban] provides,” he told reporters at a news conference in Columbus.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    "Unspeakably cruel" might be a bit of an overstatement.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    Ohio Plans Unspeakably Cruel Appeal Of Dying Man's Last Wish | ThinkProgress



    My guess is this is one that will be fought after the man's passing.

    My guess is also DeWine is a dick.

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    The burial is one thing, I fail to see the issue there - but marriage does not and cannot happen after you die.

    It is to the living only.

    States do allow gay marriage - they should move if it's that vital.
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