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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

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    My guess is this is one that will be fought after the man's passing.

    My guess is also DeWine is a dick.

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    It has never been about whether or not it effects straight people. It has always been about the selfish spiteful acts of homophobic bigots. You saw what happened with prop 8 being overturned for the last time by the supreme court, and still the asshole homophobes wanted to make the injunction last as long as possible despite the case being decided against them. There is no good reason, and it is just them trying to get their last moments of hate in as the tide turns against them. Someday they will be treated like the springer guests they are.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

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    Really? How in the **** would this hurt anyone? How would letting these two people having the dignity of being buried next to each other hurt anyone else?

    This is the stupidity, and the evil of laws against SSM.
    Because whoever put that restriction on the gravesite had a right to put that restriction on the plots. Nobody is stopping them from being buried together--Absolutely nobody. This person feels entitled to be buried with whom he wants where he wants and the right to be buried there is limited by the person who set it up. They can be buried together, side by side, in any cemetery who will sell them plots and it is not about their orientation. Straight unmarried people could not be buried together there either. These particular plots are specially designated and he is trying to force his will onto others. He is not a victim of discrimination. He is nothing more than another pathetic agenda driven "I am entitled" person. If he wants to be buried next to his boyfriend, go to another freaking burial site.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    It has never been about whether or not it effects straight people. It has always been about the selfish spiteful acts of homophobic bigots. You saw what happened with prop 8 being overturned for the last time by the supreme court, and still the asshole homophobes wanted to make the injunction last as long as possible despite the case being decided against them. There is no good reason, and it is just them trying to get their last moments of hate in as the tide turns against them. Someday they will be treated like the springer guests they are.
    I quite agree.

    And thank you.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

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    Because whoever put that restriction on the gravesite had a right to put that restriction on the plots. Nobody is stopping them from being buried together--Absolutely nobody. This person feels entitled to be buried with whom he wants where he wants and the right to be buried there is limited by the person who set it up. They can be buried together, side by side, in any cemetery who will sell them plots and it is not about their orientation. Straight unmarried people could not be buried together there either. These particular plots are specially designated and he is trying to force his will onto others. He is not a victim of discrimination. He is nothing more than another pathetic agenda driven "I am entitled" person. If he wants to be buried next to his boyfriend, go to another freaking burial site.
    They are married. That is the problem with your spite. They have a legally recognized marriage in MA. If a straight couple married in MA wanted to get buried together there would be no problem, and they certainly would not have to jump through hoops to have their legal marriage recognized by another state. The two of them are legally married in a contract that otherwise would be respected across the entire US. This is why they should be buried together and any of these technicalities you mention are just spiteful rhetoric to cause pain to them because you and the homophobes like you are all about making life as hard as possible on homosexuals while you can. Enjoy it, and enjoy every losing battle from here on out. The supreme court may not have legalized marriage all across the country, but they removed the only barrier in the federal government the regarded gay marriages as different from straight ones. Now challenges will pop up in every state and destroy all of those laws due to their prejudicial and spiteful nature.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    And it is doubtful a gay couple would pick such a cemetery, and unnecessarily cruel to say that he would make sure they weren't buried together.

    That's baiting.
    The article indicates it is a "family plot", which may indicate he did not purchase the plot. My thought would be it has been held by the family for an extended length of time.

    Historically families purchased group plots in cemeteries to provide contiguous burial for families.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    While I don't care where I'm buried - I want to be cremated and could care less what happens to the ashes -

    from the story it says
    a family plot bound by a directive that only permits his lawfully wedded spouse to be interred alongside him.
    They are lawfully married - in Massachusets. Therefore, they should be able to be buried next to each other.

    What happens with the death certificate is a whole other thing; I understand that might be governed by state law; but the cemetery has no reason to ban them from being interred together.

    Perhaps the poor guy should go die in Massachusetts so the death certificate reflects the marriage.

    I agree this is an example of the problem of not having marriage equality nationwide. It needs to happen. It needs to happen sooner rather than later.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

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    My guess is this is one that will be fought after the man's passing.

    My guess is also DeWine is a dick.

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    I personally don't have a problem with this but I'd make a couple of points:

    1. DeWine is not a "dick" for trying to uphold the laws of his state - that's what he was elected/appointed to do - one could only hope that the President of the United States and his Attorney General had the same level of honor to duty.

    2. It's a lie to say this doesn't affect anyone else. If this was a Catholic cemetery, as an example, would the other people who bought plots there, particularly those beside this man's plot, just have to suck it up and accept that their loved one is buried next to someone who went against the teachings of their faith?

    3. Why is it acceptible, simply because the man happened to be gay and have a gay spouse, that a death bed wish can overrule the laws of the state. Maybe it would be okay if on my death bed I put in my will that my son should be allowed to speed 20 miles over any speed limit because he always made me happy when he drove fast.

    Why do courts and judges always have to stick their social engineering noses into everyone's business. I'm sure there are lots of cemeteries in Ohio where a gay couple could be buried together, no questions asked, no problems, but this has to be forced on an unwilling cemetery because the gay agenda has to rule all.
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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Just because you are dying doesn't mean you get to change the law. If SSM is not legal then his relationship is moot, they aren't "married" and the state is under no obligation to appeal to emotion and meet his wants before he dies.

    What I think is unspeakably cruel is the idea that this guy thinks he has a special sense of entitlement because he's about to die and as such disregard the law or force the state to do something that is not lawful.

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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

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    My guess is this is one that will be fought after the man's passing.

    My guess is also DeWine is a dick.

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    Is the marriage legal in OH? Because if not, why should the state be forced to put it on the certificate?
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    Re: Ohio plans unspeakably cruel appeal of dying man's last wish

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Just because you are dying doesn't mean you get to change the law. If SSM is not legal then his relationship is moot, they aren't "married" and the state is under no obligation to appeal to emotion and meet his wants before he dies.

    What I think is unspeakably cruel is the idea that this guy thinks he has a special sense of entitlement because he's about to die and as such disregard the law or force the state to do something that is not lawful.
    It IS legal in Massachusetts, where they got married. Does the cemetery have a clause that the marriage has to be legal in Ohio? Or is it just "lawfully married spouse" per the article?

    Bury the people together. Give them peace. Who are these jerks that deny a dying man peace of mind?

    And by the way - they went to court; the court said put the partner on the death certificate. It's not emotion now, it's law.

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