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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    There are a few companies here in my province that offer solar panels for free.

    That's right, I wrote free.

    The business model is simple but brilliant. The company locks in a price per kilowatt with the province. They then solicit business by looking for roofs for rent. Some criteria needs to be met, such as south/south west facing, and a minimum slope (30 degrees, I think). The company will then put as many solar panels as they can, and hook it up to give back to the grid. The homeowner will then get a fixed rate, based-on how many panels they were able to fit. My panels are set to be installed in the fall. No matter the amount of energy they will collect in any given year, I will be given approximately $500 for the next 25 years. After that time, the panels will belong to me. Imagine getting paid for doing nothing. I love it.
    Is there any maintenance with that?
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If you had the money, would you buy a smaller house that's built to be as "energy independent" as the ones described above, or would you opt for a bigger "conventional" house like the ones most of us have grown up in?




    I would definitely go with smaller and energy independent.


    I love the sound of what's described in the article.
    I'd go with smaller and energy independent. I'd love to go solar, but at my age, and with the initial start-up costs, plus maintenance, it's not worth the investment.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Oh Yee of little faith! When the horseless carriage first came out it was an unreliable toy for the idle rich. The first aircraft- just another way to have an excellent chance at an early death. early steam ships used sail far more than coal. First railroads- odd curiosities.

    What the industry is waiting for is a Henry Ford to step forward with a way to mass produce the panels at a cost the working man will folk to. PV technology is advancing as time and demand march on. Paints, sheets, films that greatly reduce cost to both make and maintain. I remember the first demand switching unit i saw- big tubes and a lot of heat. Now a small panel holds the entire system and you never hear it or even think about it.

    Ya remind me of a scene out of an old movie- two old farts sitting in a wagon as a horseless carriage goes poppin' and a-hoppin' on by- "why you'll never catch me in one of those!"
    I'm all for alternative energy however, we're no where close to having anything that is even remotely viable at this point in time.

    The problem with solar panels is that they're all individually unique. One panel may exceed efficiency while another may fall way below efficiency... There is no way to fix that problem presently. Of course then you have the components and materials that makeup a solar panel which take energy to manufacture -- So presently solar panels are like a pandoras box of problems.

    Then of course you have people like Obama saying "over the course of 10 years this green product will pay for its self in energy cost" well - yeah, but 90% of the time that product breaks before 10 years.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm all for alternative energy however, we're no where close to having anything that is even remotely viable at this point in time.

    The problem with solar panels is that they're all individually unique. One panel may exceed efficiency while another may fall way below efficiency... There is no way to fix that problem presently. Of course then you have the components and materials that makeup a solar panel which take energy to manufacture -- So presently solar panels are like a pandoras box of problems.
    A libertartian who doesn't believe in the market system...

    Odd you make your claims with no stats to back it up, it is just as easy to say many folks are more than happy with their PV panel arrays and quite a few love their wind generators.

    Those that gain the rep for dependability and efficiency gain market share according to the worshipers of the 'invisible hand'. not all automobile companies survived Henry Ford's advances. yes they take energy to produce but so does oil, gas and coal. Coal doesn't dig itself and hop into the furnace!

    Solar panels are a pandora's box of opportunities.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Home I'm building has 90% south facing windows and on a sunny day in the dead of winter with below freezing temps I can let the fire go out and actually have to open windows to cool things off. Also I went ape on insulation and caulking. Solar panels provide the bulk of our elec and our water system is gravity fed, no deep well pumps. I'm not a greenie though, just trying to live cheap and efficient.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is there any maintenance with that?
    No. In fact, if my roof needs to get re-shingled, they will take them off and put them back once in the 20 year span for free.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    A libertartian who doesn't believe in the market system...

    Odd you make your claims with no stats to back it up, it is just as easy to say many folks are more than happy with their PV panel arrays and quite a few love their wind generators.

    Those that gain the rep for dependability and efficiency gain market share according to the worshipers of the 'invisible hand'. not all automobile companies survived Henry Ford's advances. yes they take energy to produce but so does oil, gas and coal. Coal doesn't dig itself and hop into the furnace!

    Solar panels are a pandora's box of opportunities.
    I could give a rats ass if some idiot is satisfied with his/her solar panels - that still doesn't change the fact that the energy gained doesn't offset the energy lost by manufacturing and maintenance.

    If idiot wants to install a solar panel and say: "look Todd free energy" sobeit...

    Besides if solar energy was actually viable it would be the norm... However presently only trendy idiots and those who need to pander to trendy idiots are using the technology.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm all for alternative energy however, we're no where close to having anything that is even remotely viable at this point in time.

    The problem with solar panels is that they're all individually unique. One panel may exceed efficiency while another may fall way below efficiency... There is no way to fix that problem presently. Of course then you have the components and materials that makeup a solar panel which take energy to manufacture -- So presently solar panels are like a pandoras box of problems.

    Then of course you have people like Obama saying "over the course of 10 years this green product will pay for its self in energy cost" well - yeah, but 90% of the time that product breaks before 10 years.
    Are you not aware that the more we make/use/manufacture, the better the technology will become??? There is nothing more attainable, cleaner, and easier to work than the sun. Nothing.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Sadly, there are power service companies who are looking to put a big dent in the benefits you can realize from adding solar power to your home. Especially here in Arizona where the sun can give you great returns on your investment (as long as the panels hold up) But as you can see from this article (and there are more) the power companies are worried their profits will take a big hit. They are looking to reduce the percentage of power generated for which they much reimburse the homeowner. If this keeps up, not only will they (power companies) get free power from your grid, but they may start charging you for the privilege. That ain't right.

    APS wants to raise rates on home solar customers - CBS 5 - KPHO

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Are you not aware that the more we make/use/manufacture, the better the technology will become??? There is nothing more attainable, cleaner, and easier to work than the sun. Nothing.
    I understand, I'm just saying presently "green energy" is not viable.

    I don't even believe the future of "green energy" is in solar energy - I believe it's in magnetics...

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