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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'd rather see less of both and roofs across America with solar panels on them.
    I've read articles where they estimated output if all the useable roofs were covered with panels and Cali would become a major daytime energy exporter.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I would vote for a home such as mentioned in the OP. A word of caution, however. Don't forget that corpgov rules the nation. If you think for a moment that power companies are going to let you benefit without kissing their ring, think again. We live in a corprotacracy. Big business always gets its cut anymore in America and if you think you'll be able to slide away from corpgov's control scott-free you are wrong. When corporations see that they might lose the upper hand they write laws and force policy changes that benefit them.

    You would think that everyone in Arizona would have solar energy. We have more sun that the sun. Solar conversion costs more than it used to. You don't get the tax breaks you once did here in Arizona and now this:

    Arizona Public Service Co. is proposing charging customers who install rooftop solar panels $50 to $100 or more a month to cover the cost of maintaining the power grid.

    What? Yep. At the present this is a proposal. Yeah, right. And my butt ain't Irish pink. Arizona is a GOP/Tea Party state and that means big business pretty much gets whatever it wants. Will the proposed monthly increases be charged to solar power users who are connected to the grid? Bet on it.
    Yeah, the electric company here in san diego refused to buy back electricity for a long time. Then the pulled a fast one when forced and paid wholesale for what you put into the grid and charged retail for what you used at night.

    Last I heard they were taking/giving one for one. Not sure about any net excess you put out.

    Its all pretty assinine because the days solar puts out the most are the days the so cal grid has problems keeping up with demand.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I've read articles where they estimated output if all the useable roofs were covered with panels and Cali would become a major daytime energy exporter.
    I'm sure of that, I can't even imagine how many acres of roof that would equal.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    What a load of BS.

    What, you don't think the electrical grid needs to be maintained? You don't think those union linemen need to be paid?

    Who do you think is going to pay for all the green energy solar panels and wind turbines?
    The part they electric companies leave out of their propaganda is the simple fact that peak solar output almost always coincides with peak demand.

    Meaning solar systems HELP the grid by simply existing. So acting like they're "freeloading" is BS.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I guess charging people with solar panels to maintain the power grid is kind of like taxing people with elec cars to help maintain the roads they drive on. The money for the infrastructure has to come from somewhere and if you live in AZ you can pretty easily tell the power company to go screw itself and just go off grid.
    Battery banks for "regular" houses are an expensive pain in the ass. But people I know who have them enjoy their independence deep in their bones. Its an unfamiliar sense of freedom.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    And that would be those who can see streets at night, or appreciate the safety provided by stop lights as well as other electrified public wonders.

    Do you think drivers of electric vehicles charged with power generated exclusively by their own renewable energy sources are going to escape big registration fees one day?

    Do you think gasoline taxes aren't going to double or quadruple when average fuel economy reaches 50 mpg?

    I guess you would see all that as some big right wing corporatacracy conspiracy.
    I would see it as the price of having roads to drive on.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The greatest single user of energy is public buildings. However, the typical population density of those public buildings makes them generally more efficient than a persons home.

    Of course, to the hippie, off the grid types, I wonder how they square the grid tied energy required to manufacture all the cool mother nature like things they have around their off the grid homes.

    The thing is, massive dollars are going to need to be spent, and is being spent, to upgrade the grid. Wait till word of the Smart Grid gets out, with the ability of the utilities to communicate with appliances in each persons home. Imagine, they will get to decide if your home is warm or cold enough, and be able to do something about it.

    Of course, that's a whole different subject.
    Of course the smart grid means excess capacity in electric vehicles could provide the grid's holy grail:

    Storage.

    Car banks need to be able to go 200 miles between charges to be "viable".

    But the vast majority of people travel less than 50 miles a day.

    So a substantial amount of energy just sits there.

    Set a limit and throw a switch and the grid can use that excess.

    Google has an experimental program that provides load levelling from the banks in its fleet.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Building homes that make more power than they take

    How does a home "make power?"

    That whole idea is fantasy.... They're trying to sell homes to a bunch of green idiots while preying on their "save the earth" progressive ignorance.












    If you had the money, would you buy a smaller house that's built to be as "energy independent" as the ones described above, or would you opt for a bigger "conventional" house like the ones most of us have grown up in?




    I would definitely go with smaller and energy independent.


    I love the sound of what's described in the article.
    Solar panels are useless because they take energy to manufacture, install and maintain. Not to mention they break before any potential savings accumulate that would potentially justify there mere existence.

    This crap is the 21st centuries version of snake oil/radium...

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Battery banks for "regular" houses are an expensive pain in the ass. But people I know who have them enjoy their independence deep in their bones. Its an unfamiliar sense of freedom.
    I like turning on the news and hearing how everyone has lost power from the latest wind or ice storm while I watch my TV with lights on and think, must suck being you guys.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Solar panels are useless because they take energy to manufacture, install and maintain. Not to mention they break before any potential savings accumulate that would potentially justify there mere existence. This crap is the 21st centuries version of snake oil/radium...
    Oh Yee of little faith! When the horseless carriage first came out it was an unreliable toy for the idle rich. The first aircraft- just another way to have an excellent chance at an early death. early steam ships used sail far more than coal. First railroads- odd curiosities.

    What the industry is waiting for is a Henry Ford to step forward with a way to mass produce the panels at a cost the working man will folk to. PV technology is advancing as time and demand march on. Paints, sheets, films that greatly reduce cost to both make and maintain. I remember the first demand switching unit i saw- big tubes and a lot of heat. Now a small panel holds the entire system and you never hear it or even think about it.

    Ya remind me of a scene out of an old movie- two old farts sitting in a wagon as a horseless carriage goes poppin' and a-hoppin' on by- "why you'll never catch me in one of those!"

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