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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    And aren't likely to pay for themselves over than lifetime. It isn't just an environmental issue. It is also an economic one.
    My parents just put solar on their roof and even at todays elec cost they will be paid for in 10 years.

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    I would vote for a home such as mentioned in the OP. A word of caution, however. Don't forget that corpgov rules the nation. If you think for a moment that power companies are going to let you benefit without kissing their ring, think again. We live in a corprotacracy. Big business always gets its cut anymore in America and if you think you'll be able to slide away from corpgov's control scott-free you are wrong. When corporations see that they might lose the upper hand they write laws and force policy changes that benefit them.

    You would think that everyone in Arizona would have solar energy. We have more sun that the sun. Solar conversion costs more than it used to. You don't get the tax breaks you once did here in Arizona and now this:

    Arizona Public Service Co. is proposing charging customers who install rooftop solar panels $50 to $100 or more a month to cover the cost of maintaining the power grid.

    What? Yep. At the present this is a proposal. Yeah, right. And my butt ain't Irish pink. Arizona is a GOP/Tea Party state and that means big business pretty much gets whatever it wants. Will the proposed monthly increases be charged to solar power users who are connected to the grid? Bet on it.










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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I would vote for a home such as mentioned in the OP. A word of caution, however. Don't forget that corpgov rules the nation. If you think for a moment that power companies are going to let you benefit without kissing their ring, think again. We live in a corprotacracy. Big business always gets its cut anymore in America and if you think you'll be able to slide away from corpgov's control scott-free you are wrong. When corporations see that they might lose the upper hand they write laws and force policy changes that benefit them.

    You would think that everyone in Arizona would have solar energy. We have more sun that the sun. Solar conversion costs more than it used to. You don't get the tax breaks you once did here in Arizona and now this:

    Arizona Public Service Co. is proposing charging customers who install rooftop solar panels $50 to $100 or more a month to cover the cost of maintaining the power grid.

    What? Yep. At the present this is a proposal. Yeah, right. And my butt ain't Irish pink. Arizona is a GOP/Tea Party state and that means big business pretty much gets whatever it wants. Will the proposed monthly increases be charged to solar power users who are connected to the grid? Bet on it.
    What a load of BS.

    What, you don't think the electrical grid needs to be maintained? You don't think those union linemen need to be paid?

    Who do you think is going to pay for all the green energy solar panels and wind turbines?

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    What a load of BS.

    What, you don't think the electrical grid needs to be maintained? You don't think those union linemen need to be paid?

    Who do you think is going to pay for all the green energy solar panels and wind turbines?
    Ahhh, gee I don't know. Let me take a wild guess and say consumers of grid produced energy.










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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I would vote for a home such as mentioned in the OP. A word of caution, however. Don't forget that corpgov rules the nation. If you think for a moment that power companies are going to let you benefit without kissing their ring, think again. We live in a corprotacracy. Big business always gets its cut anymore in America and if you think you'll be able to slide away from corpgov's control scott-free you are wrong. When corporations see that they might lose the upper hand they write laws and force policy changes that benefit them.

    You would think that everyone in Arizona would have solar energy. We have more sun that the sun. Solar conversion costs more than it used to. You don't get the tax breaks you once did here in Arizona and now this:

    Arizona Public Service Co. is proposing charging customers who install rooftop solar panels $50 to $100 or more a month to cover the cost of maintaining the power grid.

    What? Yep. At the present this is a proposal. Yeah, right. And my butt ain't Irish pink. Arizona is a GOP/Tea Party state and that means big business pretty much gets whatever it wants. Will the proposed monthly increases be charged to solar power users who are connected to the grid? Bet on it.
    I guess charging people with solar panels to maintain the power grid is kind of like taxing people with elec cars to help maintain the roads they drive on. The money for the infrastructure has to come from somewhere and if you live in AZ you can pretty easily tell the power company to go screw itself and just go off grid.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Ahhh, gee I don't know. Let me take a wild guess and say consumers of grid produced energy.
    And that would be those who can see streets at night, or appreciate the safety provided by stop lights as well as other electrified public wonders.

    Do you think drivers of electric vehicles charged with power generated exclusively by their own renewable energy sources are going to escape big registration fees one day?

    Do you think gasoline taxes aren't going to double or quadruple when average fuel economy reaches 50 mpg?

    I guess you would see all that as some big right wing corporatacracy conspiracy.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    And that would be those who can see streets at night, or appreciate the safety provided by stop lights as well as other electrified public wonders.

    Do you think drivers of electric vehicles charged with power generated exclusively by their own renewable energy sources are going to escape big registration fees one day?

    Do you think gasoline taxes aren't going to double or quadruple when average fuel economy reaches 50 mpg?

    I guess you would see all that as some big right wing corporatacracy conspiracy.
    Good point as to why holier than thou off grid hippie types that say they are so green really are not. The business they work at, the stop lights they stop at, the lighted streets etc make them as big as participant in power production as everyone else. The power you use in your home is a drop in the bucket really.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Good point as to why holier than thou off grid hippie types that say they are so green really are not. The business they work at, the stop lights they stop at, the lighted streets etc make them as big as participant in power production as everyone else. The power you use in your home is a drop in the bucket really.
    The greatest single user of energy is public buildings. However, the typical population density of those public buildings makes them generally more efficient than a persons home.

    Of course, to the hippie, off the grid types, I wonder how they square the grid tied energy required to manufacture all the cool mother nature like things they have around their off the grid homes.

    The thing is, massive dollars are going to need to be spent, and is being spent, to upgrade the grid. Wait till word of the Smart Grid gets out, with the ability of the utilities to communicate with appliances in each persons home. Imagine, they will get to decide if your home is warm or cold enough, and be able to do something about it.

    Of course, that's a whole different subject.

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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Building homes that make more power than they take

    If you had the money, would you buy a smaller house that's built to be as "energy independent" as the ones described above, or would you opt for a bigger "conventional" house like the ones most of us have grown up in?



    I would definitely go with smaller and energy independent.


    I love the sound of what's described in the article.
    Nope, sure wouldn't. We don't have any geothermal sites nearby that would allow it's use. However, I would build something similar to Dennis Weaver's earthship. Maybe not the ship design though. Sod or underground houses would save you a bundle on energy use. Heck, even converting to a sod roof where ever your at would help tremendously, and also give us more plants to suck up all that nasty CO2 some people complain about. 2-4 inches of dirt on your roof, some grasses and broad root shrubs, away you go.
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    Re: Building homes that make more power than they take

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I WISH! The wife is too afraid of creepy crawlies coming in. (yeah I know but try and tell her!) Well that and the possibility of a dank or moldy smell if moisture builds up in the pipes.

    Wimmens!!!
    Yeah, they work best in arid climates.

    And if you put in screens small enough to keep all the bugs out you cut the airflow.

    Its still an awesome ancient tech.

    I regularly amaze people with simple airflow solutions. Living with swamp coolers teaches you a lot about how to move air around a house. And things like closing up and shutting out the sun works better than opening all the windows. Of course everything I know is based on semi to arid climes. Humidity is a bitch!

    We have an old Craftsman with the second story bedroom that has windows all around, which functions as a wind tower.
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