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Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

So then, by your terms, a Muslim, Buddhist, Jain, Jew, or even an Atheist, could come into your church and open the sermon with a prayer from their religion?

CHURCH? No.

If the County Council wanted to open with a Hindu prayer or Muslim or Jewish or whatnot, then they are free to do so.
 
Using government platforms as a means of voicing one's religious beliefs is a perfect example of exploitation and a very intrusive means of proselytization. It is also elitist and prideful.

They aren't "VOICING THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS" they are simply praying. They aren't telling everyone they have to be Christian too, they are simply praying.
 
You have freedom of religion, you just don't have the freedom to push it on others. Try again.

So the mere act of following your faith with a group of peers = pushing religion on others?

I fail to see how that is.
 
By praying to a SPECIFIC deity, they are saying "this is the official religion" in a way.
No... No they are not... How the **** do you get that our of their prayer? Thats a HUGE stretch good sir.

What they are saying is, "We are praying" because thats is what is going on.

I understand that the right is honor-bound to go on about the "war on Christianity," but you're making a fool of yourselves here. What would happen in this meeting if Muslims ran in and shouted "Allahu Akbar!" Would that be OK? They're just practicing their religion, right?
Why are you blabbering about "The right" and Accusing me of supporting one religion over another?

How many ****ing times do I have to say that I give two ****ing ****s about Hey Zeus and that lying slut Mary and all of those people..

I am DEIST. I just happen to be right about this issue.....
 
I have the right to speak, but I can't show up at a government meeting and just start talking; I have the right to smoke, but I cannot show up in a government office and light up; I have the right to have a beer, but I can't pop the lid in a government office.....It is your right to pray--but do it at home, in church, in your car, but not in a government office....

Yes you have a right to speak, and yes...you CAN show up at a government council meeting and start talking. You will not be charged with any crime related to speaking. No you don't have a right to smoke. No you do not have a right to drink beer.
 
No... No they are not... How the **** do you get that our of their prayer? Thats a HUGE stretch good sir.

What they are saying is, "We are praying" because thats is what is going on.

I get it right from the article in the OP

The lawsuit alleged that the board’s opening prayers had included unmistakably Christian phrases, such as “the birth of Jesus Christ,” “the guidance of the Holy Spirit,” “the resurrection,” and the “virgin birth.” More than 97 percent of board meetings since 2007 opened with Christian prayers, according to the ACLU
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Honestly it doesn't matter what people "think". What matters is reality. I myself am totally against organized religion and semi-against people espousing it. But I will not try to deprive them of thier right just because I think it is offensive because I do not have a right to do so. But many think that they do have that right. Reality is that they don't and in order to force thier belief they are twisting an Amendment to mean something that it never meant.

Actually, what people think is important. That is the whole point.

Plus, when a part of a certain religion, such as a prayer, becomes an actual part of the public record, that is wrong.
 
Why? Because people might find it offensive? Sorry but there is no right to not be offended.

There is when it comes to something the government is doing. If you were talking about individual people doing something privately or on their own time, then it doesn't matter at all if people are offended. But when something is being done by the government that appears to exclude certain people or endorse certain groups over others, then it does not belong in a public meeting.
 
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Actually, what people think is important. That is the whole point.

No, actually in this case it doesn't as no laws were proposed during that time.

Plus, when a part of a certain religion, such as a prayer, becomes an actual part of the public record, that is wrong.

Might want to avoid using money then if you think that.
 
There is when it comes to something the government is doing. If you were talking about individual people doing something privately or on their own time, then it doesn't matter at all if people are offended. But when something is being done by the government that appears to exclude certain people or endorse certain groups over others, then it does not belong in a public meeting.

Did they exclude any other religion? Or did it just never come up?
 
No, actually in this case it doesn't as no laws were proposed during that time.

Might want to avoid using money then if you think that.

There is a big difference between money having a mention of God on it, especially when it would take money to change that and having public committees/representatives praying on official records during a meeting, which can be changed without any money being used to just make that particular change.

And, yes, it does matter what people think, even if no laws are actually being made during the actual prayer. The prayers are still part of public records and endorse a specific religion by government officials.
 
Did they exclude any other religion? Or did it just never come up?

They excluded them because they specifically mentioned things in the prayer from a specific religion. This excludes people with religions that do not agree, even if "they don't mean to".
 
No, it's stupid because it's telling the other side what they "really" believe. I could write a book saying that when a fascist revolution comes, it'll be from people who read Ayn Rand and think they understand the Constitution better than every Supreme Court justice there ever was.

Now deny it. Maybe I'm just a genius who "understands the principles of a fascist based revolution."

Why the hell do you care what someone says?

Do you get bent every time you hear a fairytale?

When someone is talking **** I ignore it, why cant you do the same?
 
Our country is going to **** and people are crying about prayer.....
 
Why should I,as a taxpayer,pay for some politician to display their religion in public setting when they can't even get that giant pothole filled on Mamareneck Rd just outside my subdivision or fix the flooding problem at the Fenimore Rd underpass (which has been a problem for years) heading toward the Scarsdale Country Club?

You don't.

Because you live in New York, and not Rowan County North Carolina.
 
I get it right from the article in the OP

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I must suck at reading becauase I saw NOTHING about saying, "This is the official religion of our government" like you stated in your post that I replied to.
 
Our country is going to **** and people are crying about prayer.....

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

PEOPLE ARE PRAYING!!!!1111!!!!! HOW DARE THEY!!!

THATS MY .000000001 CENT THAT WENT TOWARDS THAT TWO MINUTE PRAYER!!! I WANT IT BACK!!!!!!

WAHHHHHHHH

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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

PEOPLE ARE PRAYING!!!!1111!!!!! HOW DARE THEY!!!

THATS MY .000000001 CENT THAT WENT TOWARDS THAT TWO MINUTE PRAYER!!! I WANT IT BACK!!!!!!

WAHHHHHHHH

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The best part is that these aren't hourly employees - they're on salary.

I suppose given that notion these employees must be forbidden to even go to church considering they're on the clock 24-7.
 
The best part is that these aren't hourly employees - they're on salary.

I suppose given that notion these employees must be forbidden to even go to church considering they're on the clock 24-7.

Exactly.......

But they can't let such facts get in the way.
 
Exactly.......

But they can't let such facts get in the way.

I'm bewildered as to why anyone even gives a **** if someone prays or not...

Would people give a **** if a council meeting opened with humming the Super Mario Bros theme song? I think not.

This is why I view this as an attack on Christianity .... This prayer stuff is so petty that only a hater is going to hate.
 
Whats wrong with God or prayer anyways?

I'll say this much - there have been times in my life where I wanted to beat people into oblivion but I didn't because Jesus teaches us to love our neighbors..

Reminding those who believe that does way more good than harm.

Hell, I cite Jesus as a fundamental reason as to why we haven't engaged in a full blown civil war.

Yes, atheists I do realize none of this is rational in your minds, guess what tho? everyone is not you.
 
Whats wrong with God or prayer anyways?

I'll say this much - there have been times in my life where I wanted to beat people into oblivion but I didn't because Jesus teaches us to love our neighbors..

Reminding those who believe that does way more good than harm.

Hell, I cite Jesus as a fundamental reason as to why we haven't engaged in a full blown civil war.

Yes, atheists I do realize none of this is rational in your minds, guess what tho? everyone is not you.

And on the opposite end of the spectrum, maybe some people don't want to sit there and listen to stupid prayers that mean absolutely nothing to them. Why should they have to listen to a bunch of religious mumbo jumbo when they are there for a town meeting?
 
And on the opposite end of the spectrum, maybe some people don't want to sit there and listen to stupid prayers that mean absolutely nothing to them. Why should they have to listen to a bunch of religious mumbo jumbo when they are there for a town meeting?

Well they don't have to sit there. It's their choice to be there.

People shouldn't have to stop what they're doing to please one individual (if I can even call you that).

I'm sure plenty of people didn't enjoy OWS' presence yet I'm sure you would defend their right to protest.
 
Well they don't have to sit there. It's their choice to be there.

People shouldn't have to stop what they're doing to please one individual (if I can even call you that).

I'm sure plenty of people didn't enjoy OWS' presence yet I'm sure you would defend their right to protest.

No, because that would be putting limits on people's rights to participate in town meetings. Leave your damn prayers at home or in church. You DON'T have to pray everywhere all the time. That's just annoying as hell.
 
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