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Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

tererun said:
Sorry, but not a good reason to force people into prayer. The state cannot force people to pray.
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No one was forced to pray. All they had to do was go to work like they normally would.
 
tererun said:
Again, you are a liar who is making stuff up because no one said you could not pray. They just said you cannot organize it at town meetings.


There is no law that says people have to pray before a meeting. Such a law would be unconstitutional. You are a liar.


No one is saying you cannot do that, just that you cannot organize people to prayer as a part of a government event. Liar liar pants on fire. No litterally because if you are chrstian you are going to hell for bearing false witness which is a sin.
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You are saying people can't pray because you're saying people cant pray at town hall meetings.... That makes you the ****ing liar not me.

And there IS a law that says people CAN PRAY at town hall meetings - its the second sentence of the First Amendment which reads: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." There IS NO LAW THAT SAYS THEY CANT.......

The hell I cant "organize prayer" - "organizing" is also covered under the First Amendment.

- Prohibiting prayer - against the law (First Amendment)

- Using the judicial system to prevent prayer - against the law (First Amendment)

- Preventing individuals from organizing - against the law (First Amendment)

3 strikes and you're out.

I've never seen anyone butcher the First Amendment like you!
 
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Henrin said:
No, you just have to sit there. Play something on your iphone when they are taking a minute to pray, or just do whatever.
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Then again, we could not do any of that of get to what the event is about without me being forced to be there to listen to religious proselytizing.
 
Henrin said:
No one was forced to pray. All they had to do was go to work like they normally would.
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True, but by not allowing other religions to have the floor they violating the religious freedom of others.
 
Henrin said:
No one was forced to pray. All they had to do was go to work like they normally would.
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Sorry dude, but the state cannot organize prayer. That would be respecting the establishment of religion. You are talking about a violation of the first amendment.
 
Hatuey said:
Then again, we could not do any of that of get to what the event is about without me being forced to be there to listen to religious proselytizing.
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Yeah, we wouldn't want to harm your ears. After all, that is a pretty serious offense.
 
Mr.Nick said:
And there IS a law that says people CAN PRAY at town hall meetings - its the second sentence of the First Amendment which reads: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." There IS NO LAW THAT SAYS THEY CANT.......
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So then all religions must be able to have official prayer at the town hall meetings right? I mean, you wouldn't want to violate the free exercise of religion right?
 
tererun said:
Sorry dude, but the state cannot organize prayer. That would be respecting the establishment of religion. You are talking about a violation of the first amendment.
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What religion was established by prayer?
 
tererun said:
After reading this thread i should start a religion whose prays by shouting profanity at the top of their lungs. Then all these people who want prayer time will have to deal with swearing at loud volumes, or deal with discrimination suits. Hey, we have to deal with your prayers so you can deal with ours. Any time you want to show some respect for other people in the world you can take yourself out of where other people are doing work and pray on your own time.
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Awwww, now you're a poor "victim" of prayer......

Geez show some ****ing respect and tolerance....

Funny how I'm supposed to just "tolerate" ghetto minorities who gangbang and commit crime while living off the taxpayer coin just because 25% don't, yet the same people that tell me that cant tolerate 1 minute of prayer....
 
Mr.Nick said:
You are saying people can't pray because you're saying people cant pray at town hall meetings.... That makes you the ****ing liar not me.
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Again, you lie because you cannot argue the point. i have said that the state cannot organize prayer as they are. You as an individual can pray as you wish, though you may suffer consequences if you fail to do your job because of your extra breaks. No one around here claimed you cannot pray and your insistence of that is a complete falsehood because you are incapable of dealing with the point.
Mr.Nick said:
And there IS a law that says people CAN PRAY at town hall meetings (or prohibiting the free exercise thereof) there IS NO LAW THAT SAYS THEY CANT.......
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Yes, they can pray silemntly, though loud prayer would probably be considered an interruption so they would be escorted out. the state cannot organize the prayer and tell people to participate. Organizing the prayer is respecting the establishment of religion and is also prohibited. The state must remain neutral to it and putting on the prayer is most certainly not neutral. Quit your lying.
Mr.Nick said:
The hell I cant "organize prayer" - "organizing" is also covered under the First Amendment.
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You personally can organize a prayer, though interrupting a meeting with it would be not allowed. You are not free to use speech to interrupt town meetings. You will be escorted out. Any time you want to you can organize prayer of your own, but you cannot do it as a representative of the city while on duty.
Mr.Nick said:
- Prohibiting prayer - against the law (First Amendment)
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No one is, so you are a liar.
Mr.Nick said:
- Using the judicial system to prevent prayer - against the law (First Amendment)
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no one is, you are a liar.
Mr.Nick said:
- Preventing individuals from organizing - against the law (First Amendment)
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no one is, you are a liar.
Mr.Nick said:
3 strikes and you're out.
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no one is playing baseball, you are a liar.
Mr.Nick said:
I've never seen anyone butcher the First Amendment like you!
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You are still lying.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Awwww, now you're a poor "victim" of prayer......

Geez show some ****ing respect and tolerance....

Funny how I'm supposed to just "tolerate" ghetto minorities who gangbang and commit crime while living off the taxpayer coin just because 25% don't, yet the same people that tell me that cant tolerate 1 minute of prayer....
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Yet again, so then ALL religions should be able to have prayer correct? That's what the pro-prayer people don't understand. You can't allow one group to get "paid" while doing prayer and disallow other religions from doing the same thing "paid". So it becomes a jumbled mess.

The easiest solution is just not to have paid prayer.
 
TheNextEra said:
So then all religions must be able to have official prayer at the town hall meetings right? I mean, you wouldn't want to violate the free exercise of religion right?
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Sure.... I suppose it would take a majority to want to. If a community were predominately Muslim then they can say Muslim prayer, if a community were Jews they could say Jewish prayer..... I don't care - if they want to pray then they have every right to pray...

Prayer isn't exclusive to Christians you know...
 
Mr.Nick said:
Awwww, now you're a poor "victim" of prayer......
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Where is your tolerance now, because my imaginary friend....I mean god told me to yell out obscenities as prayer.
Mr.Nick said:
Geez show some ****ing respect and tolerance....
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Show me some respect when i pray to my god.
Mr.Nick said:
Funny how I'm supposed to just "tolerate" ghetto minorities who gangbang and commit crime while living off the taxpayer coin just because 25% don't, yet the same people that tell me that cant tolerate 1 minute of prayer....
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zero to racist in 3 seconds. That was awesome.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Sure.... I suppose it would take a majority to want to. If a community were predominately Muslim then they can say Muslim prayer, if a community were Jews they could say Jewish prayer..... I don't care - if they want to pray then they have every right to pray...

Prayer isn't exclusive to Christians you know...
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yeah, but you want to deny me the right to pray to my god using the obscenities he demands.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Prayer isn't exclusive to Christians you know...
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No, but right now prayer while getting paid is. You can't allow one group to get paid while praying and disallow that for others.
 
tererun said:
Sorry, but not a good reason to force people into prayer. The state cannot force people to pray.
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Not only can the state not force people to pray, they cannot force people to listen to a prayer.

Opening public meetings with a prayer forces people to listen to a prayer.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yet again, so then ALL religions should be able to have prayer correct? That's what the pro-prayer people don't understand. You can't allow one group to get "paid" while doing prayer and disallow other religions from doing the same thing "paid". So it becomes a jumbled mess.

The easiest solution is just not to have paid prayer.
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Yes, any individual/group/religion can pray to any god they want.... Those opposed to praying can play on their Iphone, wish for something or hail satin for all I care.
 
jimbo said:
Not only can the state not force people to pray, they cannot force people to listen to a prayer.

Opening public meetings with a prayer forces people to listen to a prayer.
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No one is being forced to listen to a prayer because no one is being forced to be at the meeting to begin with. You're at that meeting out of your own free will - not because someone forced you.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Yes, any individual/group/religion can pray to any god they want.... Those opposed to praying can play on their Iphone, wish for something or hail satin for all I care.
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Good, so the next town hall meeting they can hold a prayer for Chritianity, then they have to hold a prayer for Buddism, then for about 30 other religions and denominations that want to be heard. That's productive. :roll:
 
TheNextEra said:
No, but right now prayer while getting paid is. You can't allow one group to get paid while praying and disallow that for others.
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No its not against the law to say a prayer while getting paid.

Many people on salary bring work home and aren't paid - is that against the law?
 
Henrin said:
I don't see why I would care to deny anyone. :shrug:
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That situation happened in a county in VA. For years county meetings were opened with a prayer. Even had a designated prayer giver. When there were complaints concerning the singular nature of the prayer, a roster was created with those interested rotating the duty. All went well until some of those until some of those undesirables, notably a Wiccan, applied to be on the roster. Suddenly sitting through someone elses prayer did not seem such a good idea.
 
TheNextEra said:
Good, so the next town hall meeting they can hold a prayer for Chritianity, then they have to hold a prayer for Buddism, then for about 30 other religions and denominations that want to be heard. That's productive. :roll:
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I suppose that's up to the collective majority of a particular religion which is how these prayers generally work.
 
I don't want to be exposed to homosexuality therefore I don't go to gay communities.....

If someone doesn't want to be exposed to something then they shouldn't go where that behavior or idea is occurring - or at least wait until the "offensive action" is over.
 
Bonzai said:
Well, what if the mumblings of monotheists become a lethal threat when they present the imminent threat of "Death By Boredom "?......................
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Now that is just childish. :roll:

tererun said:
when it is required and all have to participate it is being forced.
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Who said people are forced to participate? In fact, the only ones required to be present are the actual council members. And the complainers that brought this to the court were not a council member.
 
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