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Thread: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I didnt know this was all about what "atheists want"..
    It sure as hell isn't about what Christians want. Especially those Christians.

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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    It sure as hell isn't about what Christians want. Especially those Christians.
    Im a christian and i can say i agree with this decision 100%


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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They excluded them because they specifically mentioned things in the prayer from a specific religion. This excludes people with religions that do not agree, even if "they don't mean to".
    That is some twisted logic. Do you consider it excluding when they also talk about firing teachers without talking with people that have no children? Or hell, even if they don't talk to people WITH children?
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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Yep, it was those horrible atheists in Delaware who stopped the Lord's Prayer from being recited before meetings of the Sussex County Council

    In Sussex County, Del., lawmakers also agreed to alter their practice this year. For decades the County Council president opened meetings by leading the Lord’s Prayer, which appears in the New Testament. Michael H. Vincent, the current president, said it makes him feel better to begin by “asking a higher power for some guidance in our decision making process.”

    Now, however, after a lawsuit, the council has settled on beginning with the 23rd Psalm, a prayer that appears in the Old Testament and is therefore significant to both Christians and Jews.

    One of the Delaware residents who challenged the prayer, retired Lutheran minister John Steinbruck, says he’s satisfied with the resolution, though he would have preferred a moment of silence.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yep, it was those horrible atheists in Delaware who stopped the Lord's Prayer from being recited before meetings of the Sussex County Council
    That's the dumbest solution to the problem I have heard. It is not OK to exclude everyone except Christians, but if you include Jews and still exclude everyone else, you have solved the problem.

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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No its not law..

    Are you really that "confused?"

    State governments legislate via the Tenth Amendment...
    Local governments pass resolutions and ordinances, including rules about the structure of governmental meetings.

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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    That's the dumbest solution to the problem I have heard. It is not OK to exclude everyone except Christians, but if you include Jews and still exclude everyone else, you have solved the problem.
    Actually by using words from Psalms, many Muslims would find the prayer acceptable - not radical Wahabbists but most normal Muslims.
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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Actually by using words from Psalms, many Muslims would find the prayer acceptable - not radical Wahabbists but most normal Muslims.
    That still leaves the Buddhas, Taoists, Athiests, Shintos, Hindus and a host of others.

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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That is some twisted logic. Do you consider it excluding when they also talk about firing teachers without talking with people that have no children? Or hell, even if they don't talk to people WITH children?
    There is a huge difference there. Firing teachers, hiring teachers, education in general, is an official part of their job, praying is not.
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    Re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is a huge difference there. Firing teachers, hiring teachers, education in general, is an official part of their job, praying is not.
    Ok, do you consider it exclusion when they take a drink? Go to the bathroom? How about expounding on what they feel about abortion or gay marriage? Either for or against. After all, neither of those are really the governments concern either.
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