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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Prayer to open public meetings is a long-standing tradition. How long? Since the opening of the first Congress at least.
    What's your point? Just because something may be traditional, doesn't mean it is right.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Prayer to open public meetings is a long-standing tradition. How long? Since the opening of the first Congress at least.
    Perhaps but the demographics of our country have changed exponentially since those times. What is the need for religious people to pray before a town meeting anyhow?

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm bewildered as to why anyone even gives a **** if someone prays or not...

    Would people give a **** if a council meeting opened with humming the Super Mario Bros theme song? I think not.

    This is why I view this as an attack on Christianity .... This prayer stuff is so petty that only a hater is going to hate.
    That is EXACTLY what it is.

    I am a deist, I don't care too much for tales from the book or people saying god is like this cuz this guy said so, etc, etc.
    But at the same time, when I had dinner at my friend's house (who is the pastor at his church) with my family and his, and he said a dinner prayer, I was respecful, bowed my head and said Amen at the end.

    He knows I am a deist, and he respects that I am not a tool about his religious beliefs to be rude and disrespectful at his table.


    And I know someone is going to bitch and while thinking I am equating this to a council meeting.... I am not.

    I AM saying that people can just be respectul and wait until the end and move on with the business of the council without causing too much grief.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Perhaps but the demographics of our country have changed exponentially since those times. What is the need for religious people to pray before a town meeting anyhow?
    The complainers just got more active that is all.

    The ACLU turds who attended these meetings were probably not even members of the community.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That is EXACTLY what it is.

    I am a deist, I don't care too much for tales from the book or people saying god is like this cuz this guy said so, etc, etc.
    But at the same time, when I had dinner at my friend's house (who is the pastor at his church) with my family and his, and he said a dinner prayer, I was respecful, bowed my head and said Amen at the end.

    He knows I am a deist, and he respects that I am not a tool about his religious beliefs to be rude and disrespectful at his table.


    And I know someone is going to bitch and while thinking I am equating this to a council meeting.... I am not.

    I AM saying that people can just be respectul and wait until the end and move on with the business of the council without causing too much grief.
    Or religious people can be respectful and not say their prayers in public settings and hold up important meetings, out of respect for other people who may not share their religious views. It works both ways.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Or religious people can be respectful and not say their prayers in public settings and hold up important meetings, out of respect for other people who may not share their religious views. It works both ways.
    If it has always been done that way.... is it really "being held up" ??

    No.

    If you think council meetings are always "important", I ask you to attend one in your local county one day.

    The council is required to be there, if the council wants to pray, its on them.
    YOU are NOT required to be there, and thus, you can go away.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    If it has always been done that way.... is it really "being held up" ??

    No.

    If you think council meetings are always "important", I ask you to attend one in your local county one day.

    The council is required to be there, if the council wants to pray, its on them.
    YOU are NOT required to be there, and thus, you can go away.
    Did I say they were all important? That's subjective. Whether or not you are "required" to be there is besides the point. Every citizen can attend a town meeting and yes, sometimes a citizen may feel that he or she HAS to attend because the meeting could relate to them in some way. You can't just say, "we're going to pray, so go away."

    Out of respect for others, people should keep their praying private.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    This has nothing to do with civil liberties and everything to do with dumbasses wasting time and money on non-issues.
    Upholding the Constitution is "dumbasses wasting time and money"?


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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Upholding the Constitution is "dumbasses wasting time and money"?
    The Dumbasses wasting time and money are the ACLU retards who attended these meetings just to troll the court system with this bull****.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If prayer were mandatory under law that WOULD violate the First Amendment because that would be forcing people to pray which violates the first sentence of our Bill of Rights.

    You see how that works?

    I support your right not to pray equally with the right to pray.

    However you're saying people don't have the right to pray when they want, and apparently a persons right to pray is based on YOUR tolerance.
    People can pray anytime they want in most situations. The members of the council can pray silently shortly before the meeting starts or can go out in the hallway or outside to pray out loud. They can also have a non-religious moment of silence ritual for people to pray or not.

    When they pray out loud as part of the official meeting it is sending a message to all in attendance that the particular religion's prayer that they use is considered something of an officially privileged religion. That is both the intent and the effect. It is disrespectful to everyone who is not in their particular religious sect and it should be considered unconstitutional. It saddens me that so many can't understand that.
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