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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Nonsense - Town hall is exactly where wannabe pundits go to look for trouble.

    Furthermore I don't give a **** if you want to hear prayer or not - prayer/religion is a protected civil liberty.

    Besides, I'm sure there is plenty of nonsense spewed at town hall meetings that people don't want to hear however you don't see them attacking the idea of "free exchange of ideas."
    So just out of curiosity, do you attend town hall meetings or city council or school board (shudder) meetings? I ask because with the exception of the last, I have and do sometimes. What I've noticed is that those who are politically engaged on the local level are, irrespective of their positions, generally earnest, prepared, and respectful--definitely not "looking for trouble."

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Claiming private status to avoid having people speak about religions other than theirs, and then labeling virtually all other platforms as public is the double standard.
    That or churches are private and outside and government buildings are public.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    CHURCH? No.

    If the County Council wanted to open with a Hindu prayer or Muslim or Jewish or whatnot, then they are free to do so.
    People don't go to churches and open the sermon with a rant about economics or government policies and agendas.

    The two (church and state) are separate for a reason.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Not allowing prayer during a governmental proceeding is NOT violating anyone's civil liberties. That is retarded.

    Besides, all of this prayer is just for show anyway, so that some self-righteous jerks can be like "oh, look at me, I'm praying. That makes me a good person." As if. Otherwise, they could just pray to themselves in silence.
    It's actually a blatant violation of the First Amendment...

    Despite what you have been brainwashed with - "separation of church and state" does not exist..

    "separation of church and state" is First Amendment propaganda drilled into the US public by communists.

    If you show me anywhere in our founding documents wording that even implies "separation of church and state" I will pull a rabbit out my ass...

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    I imagine one day we might have to have multiple prayer sessions/religious services before any kind of government meetings so that the religious people can get it out of their systems.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    They aren't "VOICING THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS" they are simply praying. They aren't telling everyone they have to be Christian too, they are simply praying.
    Simply praying can be done in one's head. It can also be done before the meeting or after the meeting. Praying outloud when you have an entire audience listening to you is attention seeking.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So just out of curiosity, do you attend town hall meetings or city council or school board (shudder) meetings? I ask because with the exception of the last, I have and do sometimes. What I've noticed is that those who are politically engaged on the local level are, irrespective of their positions, generally earnest, prepared, and respectful--definitely not "looking for trouble."
    Well presently it's the slow time. Wait until campaign season - then things will get real interesting and the troublemakers will come out...

    Furthermore I really wasn't trying to imply that council/board members were trouble (although they most certainly can be) I was saying that it's not unusual to find partisan wannabe pundits at town meetings arguing partisan issues (in campaign season)..

    Who the hell would even want to get involved in local politics anyways... All the board members hear is disputes over zoning and other arbitrary nonsense....

    Of course it all depends where you live.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's actually a blatant violation of the First Amendment...

    Despite what you have been brainwashed with - "separation of church and state" does not exist..

    "separation of church and state" is First Amendment propaganda drilled into the US public by communists.

    If you show me anywhere in our founding documents wording that even implies "separation of church and state" I will pull a rabbit out my ass...
    That is a highly debatable point. There are lots of documents that support the idea of separation of church and state, and anyone would even HALF a brain can easily understand why it's the smart thing to do.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I imagine one day we might have to have multiple prayer sessions/religious services before any kind of government meetings so that the religious people can get it out of their systems.
    If prayer were mandatory under law that WOULD violate the First Amendment because that would be forcing people to pray which violates the first sentence of our Bill of Rights.

    You see how that works?

    I support your right not to pray equally with the right to pray.

    However you're saying people don't have the right to pray when they want, and apparently a persons right to pray is based on YOUR tolerance.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If prayer were mandatory under law that WOULD violate the First Amendment because that would be forcing people to pray which violates the first sentence of our Bill of Rights.

    You see how that works?

    I support your right not to pray equally with the right to pray.

    However you're saying people don't have the right to pray when they want, and apparently a persons right to pray is based on YOUR tolerance.
    When legislators are involved in the praying, that makes it a bit different scenario than how you portray it as simply "people praying." Seems to me that would be showing a preference to a specific religion.

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