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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No they've just claimed a lie that politicians praying at the begining of a meeting is against the "seperation of church and state" clause. That seperation of church and state clause only had to do with laws being made. It had absolutely nothing to do with speaking or praying or anything else religious. People have corrupted it. Why have they done this? Because they find other religions to be offensive or religion in general offensive.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Via laws correct. But there is no right to stop a politician from speaking about God, allah or any other diety or conducting prayers at any time they wish in a setting where people are not forced to be there to hear it.
    When you say "via laws" you're talking about harassment and impeding... Prayer is neither - well unless I strap someone down on a chair and started preaching fire and brimstone...

    There is no right not to be offended and there is no "law" protecting anyone from being offended considering "offended" is objective.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Have your prayer before the meeting, not during it. How hard is that? Or are you trying to offend those whom you believe have no right to be offended?
    Or people just need to stop being offended by other peoples religious beliefs when it is harmless.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    When you say "via laws" you're talking about harassment and impeding... Prayer is neither - well unless I strap someone down on a chair and started preaching fire and brimstone...

    There is no right not to be offended and there is no "law" protecting anyone from being offended considering "offended" is objective.
    Actually no i'm not. The government is not allowed to make any laws for or against any religion. And when I'm talking about "not being forced to hear it" I'm talking about situations where people have no choice...such as going to a police station or a court.

    Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If you want to take everything in the constitution this narrowly, you don't have a right to own a gun. The 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about guns.
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    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths (constitution in this case).

    29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

    30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

    31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

    33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    How about if I chat loudly while the city council is attempting to pray?

    As tererun says - pray on your own time. Go ahead. But not at the beginning of a government meeting.
    If you want to be ignorant and inconsiderate, why not? If this is what a group of people want to do, they should be able to, if you or anyone else don't like it, show up 5 minutes after the meeting starts...or better yet show some *gasp* t-o-l-e-r-a-n-c-e...
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If you want to take everything in the constitution this narrowly, you don't have a right to own a gun. The 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about guns.
    1: Apples and oranges. Two different subjects.
    2: A gun is considered an "arm" so yes it does. At the time the 2nd Amendment was written the word "arms" in context meant anything that was built to be a weapon. It included, swords, guns, knives, even cannons.
    3: And I'm not taking it narrowly. I'm taking it at exactly what it was intended as and no more. Anything else is revisionism.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually no i'm not. The government is not allowed to make any laws for or against any religion. And when I'm talking about "not being forced to hear it" I'm talking about situations where people have no choice...such as going to a police station or a court.

    Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
    No I just didn't understand what you meant by "via laws" considering "via laws" are a gray area hence difficult to enforce.

    Of course our government cant make any laws for or against religion - I was arguing that in this thread for a good couple hours this morning and some posters still didn't get the First Amendment - more specifically the first two sentences of the First Amendment.

    All I was getting at was that it's not against the law to offend someone like some of the posters here ignorantly believe.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    A big win for civil liberties. All members should be treated equally and government bodies should not open sessions with a prayer. This is a win for a cornerstone on the Separation of Church and State.
    And while the peons were occupied with a phrase that doesn't appear the the Constitution, the nation burned...
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not going to even reply to comments like these with my own articulation anymore - I'll just prove you're a communist shill using the points of the "communist goals of 1963" outlined via the Naked Communist.

    Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record

    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths (constitution in this case).

    29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

    30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

    31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

    33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

    None of these points were made here.


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