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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure...but prayer is a personal thing. Doing it in front of people or in the public arena doesn't serve a purpose. If I went outside in front of people and started randomly...I dunno picking up dog **** and eating it I'm obviously doing it in front of people because I want an audience. It obviously have some need to be recognized and need attention.

    I don't see how public prayer isn't just individuals needing some recognition like "HEY GUYS I'M RELIGIOUS!"
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Having a politician get up during a legislative session and promote a particular religious viewpoint is a 1st amendment violation. They are using the power of government to spread the word of their faith. However, the supreme court rulings have not banned prayer itself, only prayers that are considered sectarian in nature. You can open an official meeting with a prayer, provided it is not seen as promoting a specific faith. The specifics of how you can actually do that are pretty murky, but that is the legal standard at this time.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    and you do that by being silent during prayer time.

    How about if I chat loudly while the city council is attempting to pray?

    As tererun says - pray on your own time. Go ahead. But not at the beginning of a government meeting.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think making out is a personal thing, but I ain't gonna run around trying to force people not to make out in public.
    Well I was asking about the reasoning or need to pray publicly. That was what my question was about.

    As for making out in public...nobody is trying to force people not to pray out in public. They are forcing them to not pray before a commissioner meeting which generally isn't the place for conducting business generally viewed as private.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Some students and/or parents disagree with you. I personally wouldn't care up to the point where a teacher tried to teach my child something about religion or push her/his religion on my child. But I still looked in disdain at the Bible verse plastered on the door of the school my son will be attending next month (I figure though it is almost certainly going to be removed prior to them getting back to school and was probably from one of the church services held there on some Sundays).
    Honestly it doesn't matter what people "think". What matters is reality. I myself am totally against organized religion and semi-against people espousing it. But I will not try to deprive them of thier right just because I think it is offensive because I do not have a right to do so. But many think that they do have that right. Reality is that they don't and in order to force thier belief they are twisting an Amendment to mean something that it never meant.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It should not be communal during public/governmental meetings, particularly when it becomes a part of the public record. A time and place for everything, and a public meeting is not the time nor place for a prayer.
    Why? Because people might find it offensive? Sorry but there is no right to not be offended.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No one is being forced to listen to a prayer because no one is being forced to be at the meeting to begin with. You're at that meeting out of your own free will - not because someone forced you.
    That's ridiculous. I am at the meeting to comment on civic issues and to hear what my govt is up to. You're saying I shouldn't be a good citizen? Instead, the govt will host a prayer and drive me away?

    Give it up, all of you prayer defenders. Prayers should not be part of a govt meeting, held on govt property, funded by taxpayers of all and none religions.

    Pray all you want. Don't make me hear it as the price of seeing my govt in action.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure...it can be communal and there's a place for that. In this situation...for some reason there's a need to pray in a place that's not a house of worship out loud in front of others.
    Why? Because people might find it offensive? Sorry but there is no right to not be offended.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why? Because people might find it offensive? Sorry but there is no right to not be offended.
    There is a right to not have the government push someone's else's religion on you.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    I'm always amazed by how much people know about what God wants and thinks ... it's almost spooky ... anyway, pray away, but keep it out of council and legislative chambers ... I don't even like it when Presidents say "God Bless the United States of America." ... I'm less bothered when they quote the Bible because it's just another book and it does have some good stuff in there, as many books do ...
    No where in my post did I state what God wanted or thinks.

    And why keep it out of the council and legislative chambers? Because others might be offended? Pfft. No one has a right to not be offended.
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