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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why do people feel the need to do anything publicly? Could be any number of reasons. Much of it having absolutely no hidden meaning or agenda.
    You'll have to be specific. The whole point of prayer is you talking to God. It's not a spectator sport. God doesn't listen to prayers based on how many are praying at the same time.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    well said .. Christians should be careful about accusing others of violence, hatred, etc., given the history of Christianity ...

    but tell me more about Satanists ... They believe in what and why, etc.?
    From what I understand, they believe in the baser instincts of man being what drives us and that being okay. But like many religions, there are diverse beliefs within the whole. We actually have a Satanic Bible in our home (along with a couple of Bibles, a book of Mormon, a Koran, and some other religious texts). It isn't a philosophy I personally ascribe to, but it seems to be anything from worshiping Satan (and sometimes this means some sort of odd or even cruel rituals, other times it is merely believing that he was bullied by/treated by God wrongly) to using Satan as a symbol of believing that we are our own gods.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    People do all sorts of weird things in public.
    Sure...but prayer is a personal thing. Doing it in front of people or in the public arena doesn't serve a purpose. If I went outside in front of people and started randomly...I dunno picking up dog **** and eating it I'm obviously doing it in front of people because I want an audience. It obviously have some need to be recognized and need attention.

    I don't see how public prayer isn't just individuals needing some recognition like "HEY GUYS I'M RELIGIOUS!"
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Why should I,as a tax payer,pay a politician to pray during a government function?
    Horrible arguement. Politicians are not paid an hourly rate. They are payed via a salary. Which means that if you want to claim that you are paying them to "pray" when they pray at a council meeting then you also have to admit that you are praying when they are not at any offical function but instead in their own church. You are also paying them to sleep at night. You are paying them to take a dump or piss. You are paying them eat at a restaurant with their spouses and children with no official function. And many many many other things.

    So if we went by your arguement then you have a so called "right" to force that politician to not ever pray, not ever go to a personal church, not ever donate to a religious charity group etc etc.

    Just because taxpayers pay a politicians salary does not give the taxpayers a right to dictate to them how to live their lives or what to say in public or at functions. Being a politician does not strip you of any Rights at any time or place.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    You'll have to be specific. The whole point of prayer is you talking to God. It's not a spectator sport. God doesn't listen to prayers based on how many are praying at the same time.
    Praying is not just an individual thing, it can also be communal. And God listens to ALL prayers, including ones that are given by groups.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Praying is not just an individual thing, it can also be communal. And God listens to ALL prayers, including ones that are given by groups.
    It should not be communal during public/governmental meetings, particularly when it becomes a part of the public record. A time and place for everything, and a public meeting is not the time nor place for a prayer.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not if I am paying an employee for a job and he is doing it there. Then it costs me.
    What job would that be? Frankly I have no doubt that you excuse a lot of things you pay for (mostly unknowingly). This is merely a reasonable excuse to use as a weapon against something you don't like. The other 99.99999999999999% things that go on that aren't relevant county business, you'll excuse. Probably few if any are getting paid at a county meeting.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    From what I understand, they believe in the baser instincts of man being what drives us and that being okay. But like many religions, there are diverse beliefs within the whole. We actually have a Satanic Bible in our home (along with a couple of Bibles, a book of Mormon, a Koran, and some other religious texts). It isn't a philosophy I personally ascribe to, but it seems to be anything from worshiping Satan (and sometimes this means some sort of odd or even cruel rituals, other times it is merely believing that he was bullied by/treated by God wrongly) to using Satan as a symbol of believing that we are our own gods.
    I'm an agnostic, but fascinated by religion and people's religious beliefs ... I need to read up more on this ... thanks ...

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Praying is not just an individual thing, it can also be communal. And God listens to ALL prayers, including ones that are given by groups.
    Sure...it can be communal and there's a place for that. In this situation...for some reason there's a need to pray in a place that's not a house of worship out loud in front of others.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Praying is not just an individual thing, it can also be communal. And God listens to ALL prayers, including ones that are given by groups.
    I'm always amazed by how much people know about what God wants and thinks ... it's almost spooky ... anyway, pray away, but keep it out of council and legislative chambers ... I don't even like it when Presidents say "God Bless the United States of America." ... I'm less bothered when they quote the Bible because it's just another book and it does have some good stuff in there, as many books do ...

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