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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Gays invite you to pray? What is it gays are inviting you to engage in at a government function? This has been brought up before but I'm not sure what people are referring to. What are gays inviting everyone to at council meetings or government functions?
    Don't be daft. If you take the time to read in context, you'd understand what I was responding to. Stupid comments will get you no where, read and respond with intelligent posts which address the context. The line was "The problem here is that Christians in particular feel the need to pray in groups or out loud for some reason. There is no need to involve everyone in the room when you feel the need to pray. There is no need to say the words out loud. If one is truly comfortable with his religion, a silent prayer is more than satisfactory. The need to do it at a public gathering is just prideful show and an attempt to be heard for whatever asinine reason."

    You see that? I quoted it in my response so there would be no confusion as to what I was referencing. That general statement applies to a lot of groups, as humans in general like to be in groups and are often loud. "The need to do it at a public gathering is just prideful show and an attempt to be heard for whatever asinine reason". It can be said against the homosexual community who have large parades and events in public. It can be said of pro-lifers and pro-choicers and pretty much any group you want. Which is why it's a bad argument, which is clear from the context of my post and anyone with enough intellectual honesty to respond within coherent and cognizant context.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You have freedom of religion, you just don't have the freedom to push it on others. Try again.
    Nor do people have freedom to push their religionism on others.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Using government platforms as a means of voicing one's religious beliefs is a perfect example of exploitation and a very intrusive means of proselytization. It is also elitist and prideful.
    You made no mention of that. And elitist and prideful? Welcome to the human race, buddy. So long as they rule by laws of man and not laws of gods, it's fine. No skin off my teeth.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No different than using a government platform to promote gay marriage.
    Gay marriage is on a government platform because it is a political issue, because marriage has legal benefits and is blatantly discriminatory towards homosexuals.

    Religion is a not relevant to real world issues.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    So then, by your terms, a Muslim, Buddhist, Jain, Jew, or even an Atheist, could come into your church and open the sermon with a prayer from their religion?
    Well Church is private property, so it's not the same. This would only be true of YOU were willing to allow theists to come into your house and open your dinner with a sermon. Which I doubt you'd like, I surely wouldn't. Take it outside Churchy-La-Femme.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I fail to see how saying a prayer is establishing a state religion.
    By praying to a SPECIFIC deity, they are saying "this is the official religion" in a way.

    I understand that the right is honor-bound to go on about the "war on Christianity," but you're making a fool of yourselves here. What would happen in this meeting if Muslims ran in and shouted "Allahu Akbar!" Would that be OK? They're just practicing their religion, right?


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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Don't be daft. If you take the time to read in context, you'd understand what I was responding to. Stupid comments will get you no where, read and respond with intelligent posts which address the context. The line was "The problem here is that Christians in particular feel the need to pray in groups or out loud for some reason. There is no need to involve everyone in the room when you feel the need to pray. There is no need to say the words out loud. If one is truly comfortable with his religion, a silent prayer is more than satisfactory. The need to do it at a public gathering is just prideful show and an attempt to be heard for whatever asinine reason."

    You see that? I quoted it in my response so there would be no confusion as to what I was referencing. That general statement applies to a lot of groups, as humans in general like to be in groups and are often loud. "The need to do it at a public gathering is just prideful show and an attempt to be heard for whatever asinine reason". It can be said against the homosexual community who have large parades and events in public. It can be said of pro-lifers and pro-choicers and pretty much any group you want. Which is why it's a bad argument, which is clear from the context of my post and anyone with enough intellectual honesty to respond within coherent and cognizant context.
    So you're comparing somebody holding a parade - to somebody using a government function to hold prayer. Two things which have nothing to do with each other.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's make it illegal to talk about football in public, too.
    Football isn't a religion and nobody has made it illegal to talk about religion in public.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    The problem here is that Christians in particular feel the need to pray in groups or out loud for some reason.

    Which is, oddly enough, directly contradictory to the teachings of Jesus Christ.


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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wait, now you're talking a church. That's different from a county meeting. Don't twist an ankle on that spin.
    Ohhhh so NOW there's a technicality?

    I figured.

    Just because it is a church, by your interpretation of the 1st amendment, does not mean I should not be able to speak or practice my religion anywhere without prohibition.

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