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Thread: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again you want to FORCE an employer to pay for prayer. What kind of libertarian are you that makes an employer pay for prayer?

    You are allowed to pray, there is NOTHING that says you HAVE to get paid for it.

    Show me the civil liberty where it says I have to PAY for prayer. You still can't provide it. It can't be a civil rights violation if there is no staute for it. Tell me where EXACTLY it says I have to pay for prayer.
    I don't want to force an employer to pay for prayer anymore than I want to force an employer to pay for paid bathroom breaks, lunch breaks, water cooler conversation, company events, birthday parties etc.....

    Besides many people are on salary anyways and don't work on a hourly basis. They're paid for the job not their time.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I don't want to force an employer to pay for prayer anymore than I want to force an employer to pay for paid bathroom breaks, lunch breaks, water cooler conversation, company events, birthday parties etc.....

    Besides many people are on salary anyways and don't work on a hourly basis. They're paid for the job not their time.
    Yes, you just said you wanted to FORCE employers to pay for prayer because you claimed it would be a "civil rights violation". Make up your mind please, you're running in circles now.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I can't believe you call yourself a libertarian when you favor coercing people to pray one way, favor forcing them into a particular decision about their genitals, and bet that Romney was going to win by a landslide.

    Go join the Republicans, because you always sound like one.
    I'm not advocating forcing people to pray - people don't have to pray. I'm siding with individuals who choose to exercise their freedom of religion to pray....

    You don't have to pray in the presence of prayer anymore than someone has to eat in the presence of food.

    Standing up for civil liberties is what makes me a REAL libertarian.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Where in the constitution is the right to not be offended expressed? I've never seen it, and I've looked.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, you just said you wanted to FORCE employers to pay for prayer because you claimed it would be a "civil rights violation". Make up your mind please, you're running in circles now.
    One could take either position however, I'm not petty like you so I wouldn't be one to complain over being docked 60 seconds of pay for a prayer. I suppose if that were to happen a person could make a big deal about it and claim their civil rights are being violated. I wouldn't personally make a big deal about it.

    If I owned a business I wouldn't dock pay out of religious spite -- you probably would tho.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You'te not rewuired to participate. You can walk out of the room until the prayer is over. You're denying people the right of freedom of religion because YOU don't agree with it. BTW, the Constitution DOES mention freedom of religion, unlike the seperation of church and state.
    There is no freedom you are being denied. that is a complete and bold faced lie. If you wish to do something then you can leave the room. If you wish everyone else in the room alter their work so you can do something that is a load of BS and you are just trying to force your practices on everyone out of spite and hate. Take your spiteful fascism to another country that forces it's people to pray. You are completely free to pray on your own without forcing everyone else to stop what they are doing so you can pray. The whole world does not need to get put on hold because you wish it.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you're going to use the "you don't need to do it" argument. I don't need to do a lot of things, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to do it.
    It's not a you have to do it argument. It's the "you're forcing your beliefs on me" argument. If you want to pray. Go for it. You just don't have the right to do it at government functions, official school functions, anymore than I have the right to start telling people about evolution at a church during their functions. This is why separation of C&S is crucial. If you don't want the government meddling in your private religious affairs. Don't meddle in government affairs with your religion.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    One could take either position however, I'm not petty like you so I wouldn't be one to complain over being docked 60 seconds of pay for a prayer. I suppose if that were to happen a person could make a big deal about it and claim their civil rights are being violated. I wouldn't personally make a big deal about it.

    If I owned a business I wouldn't dock pay out of religious spite -- you probably would tho.
    if i hired you to do a job and it is not praying then you are there to work. I would dock someone or fire them for playing a video game for entertainment, and I would dock you for playing with your imaginary friend for entertainment. You are at a job to work. You get provided breaks and you are free to do whatever you want on your time. It is amazing how lazy some people are that they would use their faith as some piss poor excuse to avoid work.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    I love how these pseudo libertarians claim that I must take a secular position on the First Amendment in order to be a "real" libertarian.....

    I wouldn't be a "real" libertarian if I didn't acknowledge and protect religious freedom. I wouldn't be a real libertarian if I didn't acknowledge that people have the RIGHT to choose not to partake in a prayer.

    I support an individuals right to pray.

    I support an individuals right not NOT pray.

    There is no "gray area" here... You do or you don't.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    After reading this thread i should start a religion whose prays by shouting profanity at the top of their lungs. Then all these people who want prayer time will have to deal with swearing at loud volumes, or deal with discrimination suits. Hey, we have to deal with your prayers so you can deal with ours. Any time you want to show some respect for other people in the world you can take yourself out of where other people are doing work and pray on your own time.

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