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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your civil liberties stop when mine begin. You don't have a right to spread your religion through a school function.
    Sorry, not being offended is NOT a civil liberty.

    You don't have a right NOT to be exposed to religion. YOU HAVE A CHOICE, if you don't agree with prayer then don't associate with religious folk and don't work where people pray... No one is forcing you.

    Using your logic I should have the RIGHT NOT to be exposed to progressive ideas.. You know what? I don't hang out with progressives and I don't work with progressives you know why? because I don't agree with their bull**** and I don't want to hear it so I exercise my right to not associate with them...

    Pretty simple eh?

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Might be possible the anti-religious mutual masturbation society celebration is like so many things...premature. The ruling didnt say they couldnt pray. It said they could offer specific secular prayer. It would be rather difficult for a state or local government body to be denied a prayer prior to session when that is occurring daily in the federal government legislative body.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh look, I misspelled something. The terror! I like how it didn't affect you at all on understanding me and yet you still felt it necessary to point out as if your point wasn't strong enough without it.
    I just laughed at the sheer irony of trying to call a post asinine when you didn't even know what the post was discussing to begin with or even comprehended what it was about. That's what is really asinine about the whole situation. The fact that you horribly butchered the word is just sauce on top.

    Since she only mentioned her and fellow teachers praying that is what I dealt with and that is all I needed to deal with.
    If you had comprehended what I wrote, instead of going into self righteous Libertarian mode, you'd have realized that so did I. She asked for clarification on the matter and I provided it. If you're getting together with teachers at a unofficial gathering of teachers, it's fine. If you're getting together at some official gathering of the school, no it's not. I'm sorry your asinine attempt to respond failed so terrible.

    As for where it takes place, again, that makes no difference at all. This idea that separation of church and state actually exists and that it exists to the point where people aren't even able to pray is taking everything way to damn far to the point of paranoia and stupidity.
    Who said anything about where it takes place? I guess this is the second part of your asinine response not understanding what is being said. A physical location doesn't make a difference. The situation is what makes a difference. An atheist student may have the choice to not attend events where prayers are held (ex: certain rallies, classes etc). The same goes for Muslim students, Jewish students, Hindu students etc. So to summarize the thread and rid you of the asinine ignorance on what is being discussed:

    1. Teachers getting together to pray: Fine. They don't have to be around students.
    2. Teachers having prayer sessions at official school functions: Not fine.
    3. Location: Unimportant. They can pray where they want to.
    4. Event: Important. See 1 & 2.

    Separation of church & state certainly exists in a secular government. That you don't think it does is laughable.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Since when are civil liberties suspended because one happens to be speaking against the actions of politicians?

    from Tennessee
    If someone is going to "act out" in protest they will be removed like any "protester" would from any meeting for causing a disturbance (people are removed from public townhall meetings/council meetings all the time for causing disturbances) however, that one man who was allegedly sitting quietly should have been left alone.....

    The worlds not perfect and people get thrown out of events all the damn time for unwarranted reasons.. You have to blame the security here not civil liberties.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Sorry, not being offended is NOT a civil liberty.

    You don't have a right NOT to be exposed to religion. YOU HAVE A CHOICE, if you don't agree with prayer then don't associate with religious folk and don't work where people pray... No one is forcing you.

    Using your logic I should have the RIGHT NOT to be exposed to progressive ideas.. You know what? I don't hang out with progressives and I don't work with progressives you know why? because I don't agree with their bull**** and I don't want to hear it so I exercise my right to not associate with them...

    Pretty simple eh?

    Or in other words, if I don't like christian prayers at a public meeting that might affect my life, I shouldn't bother to show up and voice my opposition. Is that what you are saying? Because it sure reads that way

    Certainly looks like you would prefer that atheists, pagans and other non-christians not participate in public forums where laws and statutes are being discussed. Legal matters that could affect their lives. Nice way to get rid of your political opponents. Not quite what I think of as "Libertarian" philosophy
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    They should just say their prayer and THEN officially start the meeting...there, issue resolve. No prayer during "official" government business, but they can still take the oppertunity to pray for whatever prior to the meeting.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    It's against the law for government to force an individual to partake in prayer.

    It's against the law for the government to forbid an individual from partaking in prayer.

    It's really that simple: pray if you want, if you are opposed then don't pray....

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Praying in someone else's presence is NOT a revocation of their civil liberties.
    Government entities opening and closing meetings with prayers is.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    1. Teachers getting together to pray: Fine. They don't have to be around students.
    2. Teachers having prayer sessions at official school functions: Not fine.
    3. Location: Unimportant. They can pray where they want to.
    4. Event: Important. See 1 & 2.
    None of it is important. In none of the above examples are the students involved in her prayer. You're just parroting some trash without putting any thought into it.

    Separation of church & state certainly exists in a secular government. That you don't think it does is laughable.
    I will give you a cookie if you can find it.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Sorry, not being offended is NOT a civil liberty.
    Who said it was? Strawman #1. This is why I specifically said: You DON'T have the right to spread your religion through a school function.

    You don't have a right NOT to be exposed to religion.
    SCOTUS disagrees with your arm chair lawyerism:

    Supreme Court Decision on Evolution & Creationism: Epperson v. Arkansas
    Supreme Court Decision: McCollum v. Board of Education, School District 71
    Abington School District v. Schempp & Murray v. Curlett (1963)
    Supreme Court Decision - Torcaso v. Watkins
    Court Decision - FFRF v. Rhea County Board of Edudcation

    YOU HAVE A CHOICE, if you don't agree with prayer then don't associate with religious folk and don't work where people pray... No one is forcing you.
    Official government functions don't provide that choice.

    Using your logic I should have the RIGHT NOT to be exposed to progressive ideas..
    You do. Do you have to listen to the Communist Manifesto at government meetings?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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