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Thread: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    IMO, religion and government should be kept as far apart as possible.....Religion has been creeping into government for quite some time now...Congress, especially the House, seems to think that it is fine to create bills based on their religious beliefs... Prayer in government encourages this practice....
    You may as well say one must be an atheist to hold a government position....

    The First Amendment states that government cannot force individuals by law to adhere to any specific religion, it also states that government cannot impede an individual by law from practicing religion..

    The government is not an individual and an individual is not the government - two different ideas. The government is a collection of individuals whom naturally are entitled to civil liberties, one of them being the First Amendment, hence are free to pray anytime they want. Preventing them from doing such would be a violation of those individuals civil rights.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    but when you do it as part of the meeting then everyone has to be there and take part. I want that part of my life, and I do not want to spend it sitting there waiting for you to pray. That is you and for your time. Show up early or stay late and pray. Do not put it on other people to do it because you add it to a public meeting. Yes, i have no problem with the courts kicking religion out of public meetings. They should, it is important, and it is a good thing to tell the religious to pray on their own time. State time is not god time.
    You don't have to pray..... You're more than welcome to sit there with your fingers up your butt.

    Praying is a civil liberty protected by the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. If you don't like it then get a job where people don't pray before work.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    waaaahhhh! I already know all to well you don't want to sit at the same location as someone praying before everyone gets to work. Why should they have to show up early just so you don't have to be in the same room as someone praying? Get over it.
    Because the prayer is part of their free time and not a part of the job. Why are we paying for them to pray on our dime? Why am i being forced to sit there and watch? Here is the problem, if they do it on their time and show up early no one is inconvenienced for something they do not want to be a part of. They can pray to god as they wish, and i do not need to be a part of it. Everyone gets what they want. You feel that for some reason people who are not religious, or people who are religious and do not practice that particular faith should be forced to be a part of christian prayer time. Should you have to wait for muslims to get their mats out and pray to the east? Should you have to sit through a buddhist meditation? Should you have to wait for wiccans to have a ceremony to the goddess?

    This is a load of crap because you and every other religious person knows that people have to be forced to pray. That is why you want it at schools and in public meetings. You want those people to have to take a moment to give respect to your god.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh the humanity of having to deal with other people having a prayer. What has the world come to where people pray?
    Feel free to do it on your own time and I will deal with it. Do not include me in your BS. You are lying and making stuff up that people do not want to deal with you praying. They simply do not want to pray with you, and perhaps you should figure that out because supposedly the christian god doesn't like it when you lie.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You don't have to pray..... You're more than welcome to sit there with your fingers up your butt.

    Praying is a civil liberty protected by the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. If you don't like it then get a job where people don't pray before work.
    This is a state job which should not involve forced prayers before work. No one is interefering with someone's liberty to pray, they are just saying you do not have the power to force it on others. You are as libertarian as any fascist, and you are also lying.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    This is a state job which should not involve forced prayers before work. No one is interefering with someone's liberty to pray, they are just saying you do not have the power to force it on others. You are as libertarian as any fascist, and you are also lying.
    You don't have to pray and sitting around while others pray is NOT forcing you to pray...

    You may as well claim that someone forced you to eat a sandwich because someone else pulled out a sandwich and began to eat it.

    If someone is getting their ass beat in front of you are you forced to join in??

    If someone is drinking in front of you are you forced to drink?

    If someone is smoking in front of you are you forced to smoke?

    If someone is watching Fox News in front of you are you forced to agree with Fox News..

    Are you really this helpless???

    Of course I'm a libertarian - I understand that I don't have to partake in an activity that I don't agree with if I don't want to however, respect those that do.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Because the prayer is part of their free time and not a part of the job. Why are we paying for them to pray on our dime?
    Really, of all the things you could complain paying for you are going to complain about prayer? Are you actually paying for it? Does this even extend the meeting? If it is, but why amount is extending the meeting? A normal prayer doesn't last an excellency long period of time, so what, like a minute? So it like another whole minute of electricity being used. Wow, what a solid complaint you have there.

    Oh right, they lost like a whole minute of time they could spending on passing something no one wants.

    Why am i being forced to sit there and watch? Here is the problem, if they do it on their time and show up early no one is inconvenienced for something they do not want to be a part of. They can pray to god as they wish, and i do not need to be a part of it. Everyone gets what they want. You feel that for some reason people who are not religious, or people who are religious and do not practice that particular faith should be forced to be a part of christian prayer time. Should you have to wait for muslims to get their mats out and pray to the east? Should you have to sit through a buddhist meditation? Should you have to wait for wiccans to have a ceremony to the goddess?
    What exactly is the harm other than you don't want to sit there and watch? So far you keep going over and over again about how you don't want to sit and watch, but that doesn't describe a harm, but just something you don't want to see. I don't want to see all the ugly people on the street, but I'm not going to cry about them being ugly as sin being some horrible bane on my existence.

    This is a load of crap because you and every other religious person knows that people have to be forced to pray. That is why you want it at schools and in public meetings. You want those people to have to take a moment to give respect to your god.
    <----Atheist. I'm just not a douche that feels it's so horrible people are taking a moment to pray.

    Feel free to do it on your own time and I will deal with it. Do not include me in your BS. You are lying and making stuff up that people do not want to deal with you praying. They simply do not want to pray with you, and perhaps you should figure that out because supposedly the christian god doesn't like it when you lie.
    No one is making you pray. You showed up for work and they decided to pray. That is basically all there is to it.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Really, of all the things you could complain paying for you are going to complain about prayer? Are you actually paying for it? Does this even extend the meeting? If it is, but why amount is extending the meeting? A normal prayer doesn't last an excellency long period of time, so what, like a minute? So it like another whole minute of electricity being used. Wow, what a solid complaint you have there.



    What exactly is the harm other than you don't want to sit there and watch? So far you keep going over and over again about how you don't want to sit and watch, but that doesn't describe a harm, but just something you don't want to see. I don't want to see all the ugly people on the street, but I'm not going to cry about them being ugly as sin being some horrible bane on my existence.



    <----Atheist. I'm just not a douche that feels it's so horrible people are taking a moment to pray.



    No one is making you pray. You showed up for work and they decided to pray. That is basically all there is to it.
    tererun believes his "right" to not be offended trumps the First Amendment..

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Praying is a civil liberty protected by the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. If you don't like it then get a job where people don't pray before work.
    There are limits as well to the first amendment. I don't think this should be a federal court case, but I do believe this should be a state case (if the state wants to pursue it) in which the state gets to decide if they should PAY people to pray on state time.

    This is being done as "official" state business, so if the state wants to pay people to pray on their dime, that is their choice. However, it is the state's choice on the matter and shouldn't be a federal issue IMO.

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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    As a public school teacher, if a few of us get together every morning to pray for our kids, are we endorsing a religion?
    If you're not doing it in an official school function, no. You're not. If you're doing it an official function, yes, you are. You don't get paid to preach. You get paid to teach.
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    re: Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There are limits as well to the first amendment. I don't think this should be a federal court case, but I do believe this should be a state case (if the state wants to pursue it) in which the state gets to decide if they should PAY people to pray on state time.

    This is being done as "official" state business, so if the state wants to pay people to pray on their dime, that is their choice. However, it is the state's choice on the matter and shouldn't be a federal issue IMO.
    Since when are civil liberties voided because someone is being paid???

    Since when can the state override civil liberties??

    Using your logic the government has every right to raid employees homes, tap their phones, search their personal computers, hijack their homes, steal their guns, limit their speech, or pretty much lock them in a cell indefinitely without due process if they want to.. All because they work for the government.

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